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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, I'm a guitarist myself, so I understand, but I like the idea of having some nice hardware EQs and Compressors to play with, its a nice different way of working... Liquid mix is hardware, but not analogue, supposedly sounds really good, although I only had a few minutes with one....

its just an external computing console really i dont see it as hardware, its like UAD-1/powercore just with knobs... i agree its a nice idea to have hardware compressors (that can get broken btw) and eqs... but in relations to the current market of vsts/dsp cards and the way they get cheap by the day i think its a little bit overpriced and unnecessery for most producers today... i'm producing for about 9/10 years now, i didn't have much money through those years so i learned to deal with what i do have, which was in most cases a slow computer... and now that i got a steady job i rather invest my money on good DAC, monitors, VSTs..

thats my advice anyway...

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Yeah, obviously theres higher priorities, I think you'd have to have really good ADACs because you'd be making multiple passes through the computer, so any colours going go get worse. Still, its all a fantasy right
What do you mean by hardware compressors getting broken exactly?

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, obviously theres higher priorities, I think you'd have to have really good ADACs because you'd be making multiple passes through the computer, so any colours going go get worse. Still, its all a fantasy right What do you mean by hardware compressors getting broken exactly?

an input jack can get loose real easy if not treated right, if you get dirt in there the unit might overheat, stuff like that... and a lot of factory solderings is not done too carefully and can actually wear off... that is with all electronic equipment... but even more so when you got mechanical stuff on a unit such as knobs, jacks, etc... i'm not saying compressors are easily broken i just say that some do and i personaly don't like running to some store arguing whether my warranty is still relevant...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA an input jack can get loose real easy if not treated right, if you get dirt in there the unit might overheat, stuff like that... and a lot of factory solderings is not done too carefully and can actually wear off... that is with all electronic equipment... but even more so when you got mechanical stuff on a unit such as knobs, jacks, etc... i'm not saying compressors are easily broken i just say that some do and i personaly don't like running to some store arguing whether my warranty is still relevant...

Ah yeah, but I've had some experience with this stuff, just makes it neccesary to buy from a local dealer if your buying analogue stuff... No big deal really. And all hardware needs servicing to help prevent these problems. I know what you mean about input jacks though, I go through guitar jacks one every 6-12 months easy...

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Originally posted by kitphillips Ah yeah, but I've had some experience with this stuff, just makes it neccesary to buy from a local dealer if your buying analogue stuff... No big deal really. And all hardware needs servicing to help prevent these problems. I know what you mean about input jacks though, I go through guitar jacks one every 6-12 months easy...

i actually repair mine its not that hard to do really, i built a custom fender squire (replaced everything really except the wood, reshaped it and refinished...) now its a double fat one with two new seymour duncans, i love this shit its my second project

here are some photos of my baby for all you rockers in here, or guys who appreciate guitars...

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Last edited by Vortex_SA on Sep-07-2008 at 09:19

Sorry for late reply I was sleeping.

Comp

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR217101

EQ

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR204730

Also I forgot to mention that me and two friends are trying to create a live show or at least as live as I can get. My friend is a bass guitarist, I will be the synth guy, and my other friend is getting electonic drumset.

Would a hardware compressor not be usefull for this purpose?

BTW i understand guys it really does boil down to at least for my own home studio reasons to the fact I want to twidle knobs instead of clicking a mouse all the time. your just trying to save me from buying some shit I dont need so thanks.

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Haha, yeah my soldering skills are a bit poor though, and I get frustrated trying to wire in Reaktor, let alone the real world. Think I'll leave it to the professionals I was interested in building my own guitar at one point, but I bought a new Fender American Delux Strat a while ago, so its not so neccesary now. Once I get stuck into this stuff, I can get lost in it for 6 months and do no real music making!
So now we've gotten this thread totally of topic, what do think of Barack Obama?

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Sorry for late reply I was sleeping. Comp http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR217101 EQ http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR204730 Also I forgot to mention that me and two friends are trying to create a live show or at least as live as I can get. My friend is a bass guitarist, I will be the synth guy, and my other friend is getting electonic drumset. Would a hardware compressor not be usefull for this purpose? BTW i understand guys it really does boil down to at least for my own home studio reasons to the fact I want to twidle knobs instead of clicking a mouse all the time. your just trying to save me from buying some shit I dont need so thanks.

i suggest the following, a nice firewire audio interface, a powerful laptop which is capable of working at really low latencies (up to 7ms), and a midi keyboard, then youll be able to run emulations of amps for bass and guitars that sound excellent, i use IK multimedia's amplitube 2 its a sweet sounding one, you will then be able to mix all of those in real time using a nice host like Live 7 and eq and compress anything from there, ive been doing some jam sessions like that before, and it works great and saves loads of space you can rock on with

BTW kit, im dying for a new SG standard, it just plays itself its unbelievble how those guys get everything exactly right...

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Sorry for late reply I was sleeping. Comp http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR217101 EQ http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR204730 Also I forgot to mention that me and two friends are trying to create a live show or at least as live as I can get. My friend is a bass guitarist, I will be the synth guy, and my other friend is getting electonic drumset. Would a hardware compressor not be usefull for this purpose? BTW i understand guys it really does boil down to at least for my own home studio reasons to the fact I want to twidle knobs instead of clicking a mouse all the time. your just trying to save me from buying some shit I dont need so thanks.

Whether you choose to twiddle knobs or not is your own personal preference... Simply put, if you want knobs, buy a control surface. Don't buy a second rate comp/EQ/anything else until you understand what your buying.
No it won't help in your live show. Unless your planning on being the sound engineer and running the whole mix? In which case you'd be better off with a nice desk with comps and EQ on each channel so you can handle every instrument discreetly.
For your own sound, you're better off in software, if you have hardware, then run it through software. Do you know what total recall is? Hardware doesn't have it, do you know how long you'll be spending between songs tayloring your EQ and Comp back to the settings you want? Think it through mate, its not going to work, you'll have no advantages and more kit to lug around. Once you start playing live, you'll realise that the less you carry the more succesful you are.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Also I forgot to mention that me and two friends are trying to create a live show... Would a hardware compressor not be usefull for this purpose?

If you are going to have computers running, you should use software. If you don't want to have computers running, then yes hardware compressor is ok. Just remember, different songs will have different compressor settings... On hardware you'd have to manually change (and remember!) them, whereas in software you could just load up a different project file.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c BTW i understand guys it really does boil down to at least for my own home studio reasons to the fact I want to twidle knobs instead of clicking a mouse all the time.

If that is the case, buy a few midi controllers (eg. UC-33e) and set them up with presets specifically made for your favourite compressor and EQ plugins. Then label the knobs, obviously.

I don't think you understand how much of a pain in the ass using a hardware compressor will be for producing. Truth be told, I don't know anyone who uses a hardware compressor for anything other than comping vocals, before they hit the ADC.

Thanks for the advice next question. If we are doing an electronic live set do we need more than 1 laptop and if we do how to all the midi clocks sync?

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