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i hear no agression, anger or negative feelings on the whole in this kind of music and on the other side there seems to be no real positive feelings ,it seems to be aiming to create a kind of mindless euphoria in the listener, at the end of the day i think the majority of trance is like the world add people would like us to believe we live in and is ultimatly empty of substance and uses cliches, production technology and complexity to compensate for this lack of content.

Beautifully said ! Much respect to whoever wrote this. Just think about it, 95% of trance tracks are based on euphoric "happy" and "uplifting" sound and atmosphere. This is why it is so fake and plastic - there is a much more to a music experience than non-stop euphoria. Dark evil meanacing morbid tracks should be just as much part of any music style, but most trance producers fail to realise this, and continue to come out with cheese.

Also QUIT BEING SO ELITIST ABOUT TRANCE! Just because you like that particular style doesn't mean that it's the ultimalte perfection in music.

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Originally posted by skywarp Also QUIT BEING SO ELITIST ABOUT TRANCE! Just because you like that particular style doesn't mean that it's the ultimalte perfection in music.

That's not what I'm saying though

What I'd just like to see, is those people actually respecting trance for what it is... at least consider that, cause there are many people loving it for a reason.
Not 90% of trance is uplifting/euphoric... there's ALOT of other stuff out there as well. look at "perpetuous dreamer - sound of goodbye", "rank 1 - such is life",... those are all quite dramatic tracks and with a message as well... so no 'mindless' euphoria i think.

I said that I'm also addicted to alot of rock tunes (but not linkin park ect), so why would I be a "trance elitist"? Just some respect... Them trying to bare other people when it's playing somewhere and not running away from it... those things

cheers!
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those sort of peopel are one track minded idiots. i may not feel the emotions in other music but i sure has hell can understand it! they are arrogant and are blinded (or deafend as the case may be) by stereotypical views that their whole collective embraces throughout the world. those sorta people should be burned, i fucking hate them, morons!

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR those sort of peopel are one track minded idiots. i may not feel the emotions in other music but i sure has hell can understand it! they are arrogant and are blinded (or deafend as the case may be) by stereotypical views that their whole collective embraces throughout the world. those sorta people should be burned, i fucking hate them, morons!

i don't hate them, but i can't see why they can't bring up that small effort that i pay to their music... guess that do'nt make them bad people, but then again, cant they see that it hurts me when they're doing that? then i ask myself that question again whether if they're really nice people or haven't thought of that yet... but nothing helps really
they live in some sort of 'denial' i believe, but i dunno why... they don't wanna have anything to do with trance whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Lightworks i don't hate them, but i can't see why they can't bring up that small effort that i pay to their music... guess that do'nt make them bad people, but then again, cant they see that it hurts me when they're doing that? then i ask myself that question again whether if they're really nice people or haven't thought of that yet... but nothing helps really they live in some sort of 'denial' i believe, but i dunno why... they don't wanna have anything to do with trance whatsoever. LW

i only hate them because of the fact its arrogance of the highest degree towards other peoples feelings about things, which often leads to annoying discriminational acts and a "high horse" type attitude where they will judge you as stupid if you listen to this music.

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Originally posted by Davinox Rock is dead. It has no emotion anymore, no good guitar work, nothing but straight doses of mediocracy. Have you heard anyone as good as Clapton or Hendrix on the guitar? No. Today's rock's emotion is like.... "start... EMOTION EMOTION EMOTION EMOTION EMOTION...end." Trance's emotion is like "start...eeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmoooooooooottttttiiiiiiooooonnnnnn." it flows, it has no boundries, it's PURE emotion. those who say it has no emotion is dumb, beautiful trance DOES.

This is a bit off topic,but seriously Davinox,what you're saying about rock here is total BS.From what you've written,it looks your way of defining rock is the likes of Nickelback,Linkin Park and Creed,who are nothing but crap,and are as representative for the rock genre today as DJ Alligator Project,Alice Deejay and ATB are for trance.Rock today is as alive and kicking as ever,and just because it doesn't contain a bevy of guitar masturbations a la Hendrix and Jimmy Page(which is just plain boring after a while) doesn't mean that it's mediocre immediately.There's so much more to rock than this.The fact is that we have some of the most brilliant,cool and creative rock musicians touring the world as we speak.The Hives,The Strokes,White Stripes,Gluecifer,Rival Schools,...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead...I could go on for a long time.

Rock is not just about your guitar skills,like it seems like many of you think.Back in the 70s-80s the rock artists got more and more obsessed with showing of their skills rather than writing good songs.Hence,IMHO,rock disappeared up it's own ass of guitar solo-hell.The songwriting capabilities of today's rock artists are still great,and contrary to back then,writing good songs is now the most important thing,and that makes today's rock so much more interesting than the guitar masturbation that the audience got fed with during the 70s and 80s.Don't get me wrong,old rock is fantastic,and some of the biggest musical geniuses originated here,but that time is OVER.It's time to move on,and make something that's fresh and new.
But for some reason,americans have a tendency to overlook bands like the ones I mentioned and keep defining rock as a genre with crap bands like Limp Bizkit etc.Open your eyes,dammit!!

Then it's the emotion part.Trance can be the most beautiful emo-trip that any genre of music has to offer.But it can alos be nauseatingly simple,cheesy and formulaic.The fact is that if trance hadn't gone through the development that it did from '99 to 2000,trance as a genre would be dragging its rotting corpse through the streets,only carried by the same old-same-old "buildup-crescendo-riff-done"-pacakage.By that I mean that the 90s trance sound was so worn out,overplayed and overused that it would've gone headfirst into the gutter if the creative development towards progressive wouldn't have come.There's still much of the same 99'-syndroms around in the trance scene(unfortunately),and that's why many consider it to be dead creatively.Those of us involved in the trance scene of course know that that isn't true,but these attitudes are very similar to the attitudes people like you have towards rock,Davinox.So all I'm saying is:make sure you know what you're talking about before you go out bashing a whole genre like somebody who bashes trance when all the person has heard is Darude and ATB.

(I could also start on my rant on how inable trance is to express aggression compared to rock,but that would be far to subjective as I generally think hardtrance is pathetic and many don't.)

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[bitlessofftopic] Best Rock song of all time, with all the respect to my personal classics such as Beatles, Queen, Nirvana, Rage Against... etc.,

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR i only hate them because of the fact its arrogance of the highest degree towards other peoples feelings about things, which often leads to annoying discriminational acts and a "high horse" type attitude where they will judge you as stupid if you listen to this music.

yeah you're right, some of them people would actually describe it as 'stupid' to listen to this music... and that hurts someone's feelings, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper

too bad limp bizkit, linkin park, papa roach etc are so popular then... it kinda ruins their own image that way? maybe trance does it too with artist like gig d'agostino, dj alligator etc... but the people i'm referring to actually like linkin park and think 'it's the end'... too bad maybe, but if you're saying their crap as a rock fan ,that means something, right?

i seriously believe rock isn't dead yet, but it's less present and more latent i think with today's youth... maybe that's why most people miss out on the 'great' rock music? i don't know...

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What can you do? Linkin Park and Pappa Roach actually DO resemble the Rock world today... There are more pissed bands than anything else.

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