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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by josh4
If McCain needed a knockout he sure didn't look like he was trying for one. What's that old man got up his sleeve?



Werthers Originals.

Old Post Oct-08-2008 15:31  United States
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NeoPhono
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: In Orbit

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
You mean how so many ex-Fannie execs are on his economic advisory team?


...and about McCain's comment about Obama getting the 2nd highest contributions from Freddie and Fannie...

quote:
The Statement: At a presidential debate Tuesday, October 7 in Nashville, Tennessee, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats resisted regulating mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which ultimately collapsed and had to be taken over by the government. "Meanwhile, they were getting all kinds of money in campaign contributions. Sen. Obama was the second-highest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac money in history — in history," he said.

Get the facts!

The Facts: Federal law forbids candidates from receiving money directly from companies. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics tracks donations from employees of various companies. The center's list of contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees places Obama second. Ahead of him is Sen. Chris Dodd, Democratic chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

The total listed for Obama is $126,349 — a tiny fraction of the approximately $390 million his campaign has raised, according to the center. The list shows McCain has received a total of $21,550 from Fannie and Freddie employees. The list includes donations of at least $200 from those who receive paychecks from Fannie and Freddie. It also includes donations from political action committees — pooled contributions from employees.

The report spans from 1989-2008 — just a portion of the time since Fannie Mae went private in 1968 and Freddie Mac was created in 1970.

The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list — using figures from the Federal Election Commission — shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000.

VERDICT: Misleading. No donations actually came from the companies. One method of measuring employee contributions does put Obama second overall, but another, for the current election cycle, shows McCain receiving significantly more.


You would have think they would have looked just a bit deeper into the statement before allowing McCain to say it.

-- Short version, Obama got $126K from employees ($21K for McCain) while McCain got $169K from CEOs and lobbyists ($16K for Obama). In total, Obama got $142K in F/F associated campaign funds while McCain got $190K.

Old Post Oct-08-2008 19:56  United States
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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
the format was a joke. it was neither a town hall or a debate.


Agreed. That was a giant yawn for me.

quote:
they both did fine. i'm not one for minutea.


Again, agreed. I actually thought McCain didn't do too bad there, at least not as bad as the polls had suggested immediately afterwards. Then again, he needed a bigger momentum change somehow, and that just wasn't going to happen then, especially with that boring-ass town hall format.

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i think McCain could win this on Obama's complicity with Fannie and Freddie he just needs to be able to have the oppurtunity.


Well that's been answered and refuted few times already, so I won't rehash. I'm waiting for the next line of attack, via David Frum:

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post...mEyMTUyMjM1MWY=

But given the unbelievable mess of the economy right now, Frum's right in that it's probably not enough.


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Old Post Oct-09-2008 01:46  United States
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DJ Shibby
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Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
Another great night for Obama.
Even some folks at Fox News are starting to admit that Obama is the better candidate so you know Mccain is in trouble...


Good to see you're dynamic.

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Funkesthesiac69
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This debate disappointed me in that neither candidate really offered workable solutions to the current crisis, Obama/Biden is definitely a better ticket than McCain/Palin Simply because Sarah Palin is a disgrace to all women, especially female politicians, and IT WOULD BE AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER TO HAVE MCCAIN FLATLINE AND HAVE THAT FOLKSY RETARD FROM ALASKA as the symbolic representation of what the U.S. Stands for
What does europe think of sarah palin?
Because I am ashamed that so many stupid americans think so highly of her just because she speaks their language and pretends she identifies with their issues
of course I will not cast my vote for either ticket
I refuse to vote for the republicrats


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Shakka
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Oh yeah??? Well Obama's plan smells!

quote:
Reporter's Notebook: Seeing How The Other Half Lives
Posted by Dean Reynolds| Comments1085


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From CBS News' Dean Reynolds:

(NASHVILLE, TENN.) - After most of the previous 12 months covering Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency, it was interesting, instructive and, well, relaxing to follow John McCain for the last few days. The differences between the two are striking.

Obama is the big time orator, McCain is the guy who struggles with a teleprompter or even note cards strategically placed nearby. Obama's crowds are larger, more enthusiastic. McCain's events are smaller, but to my eye, better choreographed. And now with the addition of Sarah Palin to some of his events, McCain can boast of crowds that match Obama's in energy.

There is an urgency to the McCain campaign now that I don't think was there before. Due to the fact that he is running second, no doubt, but it may also be because McCain has a finishing kick. Whatever the case, he is sharper on the stump than he was before. (Though I would suspect a candidate running behind would want to schedule two or three appearances per day, instead of the one McCain usually does.)

It is true that McCain enjoys taking questions from the audience in town hall-style settings. That doesn't mean he is the master of that kind of forum, it just means he's good at it. He likes to converse with voters. Obama does it well too, but seldom achieves that intangible bond with the people that all politicians crave -- or fake.

Behind the scenes, where the public is not allowed, there are other differences.

Obama's campaign schedule is fuller, more hectic and seemingly improvisational. The Obama aides who deal with the national reporters on the campaign plane are often overwhelmed, overworked and un-informed about where, when, why or how the candidate is moving about. Baggage calls are preposterously early with the explanation that it's all for security reasons.

If so, I would love to have someone from Obama's campaign explain why the entire press corps, the Secret Service, and the local police idled for two hours in a Miami hotel parking lot recently because there was nothing to do and nowhere to go. It was not an isolated case.

The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.

The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.

The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and smells terrible most of the time. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated.

The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.

Similar requests are often denied or ignored by the Obama campaign aides, apparently terrified that the candidate may have to wait 20 minutes to allow reporters to chronicle what he's just said. It's made all the more maddening when we are rushed to our buses only to sit and wait for 30 minutes or more because nobody seems to know when Obama is actually on the move.

Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.

But in politics, everything that goes around comes around.

Old Post Oct-09-2008 17:01  United States
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Zild
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In these times how the fuck does an article so trivial get to see the light of day?


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Old Post Oct-09-2008 17:06  United States
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Lebezniatnikov
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: DC

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Oh yeah??? Well Obama's plan smells!


Aw, poor baby. Obama didn't hold his hand or do his laundry.

And yet... it's been the McCain campaign restricting press access. That wouldn't be important to journalists who are more concerned with being pampered than asking questions though, right?


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NeoPhono
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quote:
Originally posted by Zild
In these times how the fuck does an article so trivial get to see the light of day?


I was wondering the exact same thing. If he's going to compare the two, I'd hope that someone who has spent time with both would find something a little more substantial than this. I'm guessing this is a "my editors paid a lot of money for me to travel around, so I better write something" article.

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Shakka
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I lol'd.

Old Post Oct-09-2008 17:18  United States
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