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Originally posted by Shakka So money is the scale by which we determine what defines fairness? What if I have more friends than you--is that unfair? What if I have a stronger sense of ethics and honor than you--is that unfair? Seems to me you just have a case of money envy.

In our societies the amount of money available to you equals the amount of opportunities open to you. I don't agree that everyone should have the same amount of money, nor necessarily that they should have the same opportunities as everyone. What I do believe is that there are certain minimum services that should be available to everyone, no matter what their personal circumstances, to ensure that, through their own hard work, they can make the most out of their lives. That includes, amongst others, free eduction up to university, free health etc etc

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Furthermore, where does it say that the role of government

Where does "it" say the role of the government is anything?

And what the fuck is "it" anyway?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 what about people not born into money, but those who have become very succesful by working hard?

What exactly have they got to worry about in life then?

George,

If you look at most of the successful people throughout the world, liberal or conservative, it is not because they had more money to pursue greater things, but because they had the working ethics and the passion for achieving a certain goal. Many people think that money fixes everything, but in fact, it destroys it if it is not used correctly. Giving a poor man more money doesn't help him, because in most cases, he is poor for the decisions that he constantly made throughout his life. The worst thing you can do for a poor man is give him money.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 N Read - Article I; section 2, paragraph 3 Article I; section 8 Article I; section 9 Amendment XVI http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...e.html#articlei

Hey so it is in there! Thanks.

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Originally posted by Kapedano George, If you look at most of the successful people throughout the world, liberal or conservative, it is not because they had more money to pursue greater things, but because they had the working ethics and the passion for achieving a certain goal. Many people think that money fixes everything, but in fact, it destroys it if it is not used correctly. Giving a poor man more money doesn't help him, because in most cases, he is poor for the decisions that he constantly made throughout his life. The worst thing you can do for a poor man is give him money.

What a load of fucking bollocks

That doesn't even deserve an answer

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Originally posted by George Smiley What exactly have they got to worry about in life then?

i'm just wondering how their wealth should be taxed. Should their wealth be subject to re-distribution? Like i said, i agree with you that we should re-distributing accumulated wealth. However, i hesitate to say we should re-distribute earned income more than the burden they should bear to support the minimum necessary government programs (i.e., health care, education, etc...). I guess my policy is that if you earn it, you should keep as much as possible, except to support the minimum level of government programs to ensure the basic human needs of all citizens.

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Originally posted by Zild Hey so it is in there! Thanks.

I wouldn't have a job if it wasn't.

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Originally posted by George Smiley What a load of fucking bollocks That doesn't even deserve an answer

This clearly shows your ignorance towards the subject of wealth and how you view the system of it.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i'm just wondering how their wealth should be taxed. Should their wealth be subject to re-distribution? Like i said, i agree with you that we should re-distributing accumulated wealth. However, i hesitate to say we should re-distribute earned income more than the burden they should bear to support the minimum necessary government programs (i.e., health care, education, etc...). I guess my policy is that if you earn it, you should keep as much as possible, except to support the minimum level of government programs to ensure the basic human needs of all citizens.

How they should be taxed is equal to their wealth. If they have worked their socks off and become very well off, then they should pay more than those working on minimum wage. It is not called "redistribution" in any other country other than the one trying to convince the electorate that one candidate will turn America into the USSR! It is accepted in most countries as the fairest way to ensure the minimum essential government services you refer to above. The problem in America is that you DON'T have what most would consider the essential minimum services! Poor people in America get substandard health care (if any at all) and substandard levels of education. In my country, everyone is entitled to the same level of health care no matter that their wealth. All education has to adhere to minimum standards and must be available for free. Is Britain a Marxist (or even socialist) country? No. It's one of the most right wing economic countries is Europe!

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Originally posted by Kapedano This clearly shows your ignorance towards the subject of wealth and how you view the system of it.

No it shows my ignorance the drivel that just left your mouth

Where did the myth that if you work your ass off you will become rich? Because I know a lot of low income families who work their ass off to barely scrape by, and I do think they could use a tax break and a few social programs like health care, school, etc...

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