What about P.I's in the US? ridiculous...

minor misdemeanor lol

Well I hope it happens soon so I can enjoy it in my life......Lighting up a nicely rolled joint on sunny day at park without the fear of anyone..........its not that I havent done it....but I would like to do it when no one can say shit,now that would be gold.

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Originally posted by Zoso I'm afraid the whole "justice system" we've created (from an economic standpoint) will stand in the way of this. When I was a teen, if you got in trouble with the local police, they'd pick you up and call mom and dad unless you were just really, really showing your ass. A few short years later, it was all about 11-29 probation, pay for drug test, pay court costs, pay the probation officer, etc. It's like the military-industrial complex, only smaller for now.

But what about when people who are now in their teens and twenties become the administrators of the justice system?

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Originally posted by Lira Not where I live. Legalising recreational drugs is actually quite complicated, as you've got to convince drug dealers to pay taxes, among other things.

Well, legalizing it would put the current "drug dealers" in the same context as other businesses. I think you could make a decent analogy with the alcohol industry; not paying taxes would land them in jail, as would selling product that did not adhere to certain regulations.

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Would you legalise all recreational drugs, or would crack remain forbidden?

All of them. Why do people think that governments should have jurisdiction over what people can put into their own bodies?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Well, legalizing it would put the current "drug dealers" in the same context as other businesses. I think you could make a decent analogy with the alcohol industry; not paying taxes would land them in jail, as would selling product that did not adhere to certain regulations.

Given the current situation, I'm not sure they would mind the possibility of being jailed. They're used to it, aren't they?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles All of them. Why do people think that governments should have jurisdiction over what people can put into their own bodies?

I don't disagree with you, but I think people simply don't want to pay the medical bills of drug addicts in general.

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Originally posted by Lira Given the current situation, I'm not sure they would mind the possibility of being jailed. They're used to it, aren't they?

Maybe, but those who produced drugs legally could make them in massive quantities and probably at lower cost and higher quality than those who tried to make them illegally, driving the illegal folks out of business.

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I don't disagree with you, but I think people simply don't want to pay the medical bills of drug addicts in general.

Would legalization increase the number of addicts? As far as I know, no one has answered that question definitively.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe, but those who produced drugs legally could make them in massive quantities and probably at lower cost and higher quality than those who tried to make them illegally, driving the illegal folks out of business.

Maybe they could produce better drugs in massive quantities, but at lower costs? I find it hard to happen once you start paying taxes.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Would legalization increase the number of addicts? As far as I know, no one has answered that question definitively.

It needn't increase - I just think voters would feel they're supporting the proliferation of diseases drug addicts bring to themselves. Not that it makes any sense to me, but I've heard this kind of argument quite a few times.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ... Given this climate of opinion, what do you think will happen in the next fifty years to the current laws against the possession and sale of recreational drugs? Will the current generation of youth back off from its libertarian stance and come to support the status quo (criminalizing drug use) when it takes charge of politics, or will things change?

Very good question wondering mind. It is my opinion--and by opinion I predict a comment that can't be debated against because I don't really care what comes next-- that a couple of drugs will be legalized in the time-space you indicated. How-the-shamefully-fu_k_ever, given the conservatory inclinations of this respectful country (US of A), I doubt this country would be the first to legalize the use of recreational drugs you drooled over or indicated. I might be wrong though, about the prediction and not about your drooling.

And, and far as the second question question goes, well, I don't really have an answer for that one. But, looking at it, even though I didn't know it was there-- wtf? -- I can say that the youth, because they are to be innovative, they will find a way to rebel against the status quo. They are supposed to have different ideas, and some do, I don't deny it.

But, to be honest, in the next 50 years, I only care about the national selections that might win the next football world cups. There is excellent youth talent coming out from every country. There will be so much potential. Damn, WC 2010 will be incredible! I can even picture C. Ronaldo choking.

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Originally posted by T-Soma Definitely. I know that here in AUS with weed (unless its an amount that your possession can be deemed as trafficking) the first time you get busted you get let off with nothing but a recemondation to some kind of drug clinic lol. I know plenty of people who have been busted smoking up in car parks in their cars and nothing happened.

They even get to keep their stash? That'd be pretty boss.

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Originally posted by Lira Maybe they could produce better drugs in massive quantities, but at lower costs? I find it hard to happen once you start paying taxes.

Just look at the position of bootleg alcohol in countries where alcohol is legal. Sure, there is still some production of it going on, but nowhere near what it would be if it were illegal, since people realize that they can get a safer, higher quality product and avoid clashes with the law by purchasing the legal stuff. Why would the same thing not happen with other drugs?

If there were a system of licensing such that drug-selling businesses would have to register in order even to buy drugs from legit manufacturers, the illegal dealers would be cut out of the supply chain and would continue to have to pay for the manufacture of their drug in dodgy facilities and its concealed transport by people who expected to be well-compensated for the risk that they undertook. This is why illegal drugs are so expensive now in spite of being untaxed: everyone in the production-transport-sale chain wants a big pay cut because of the risks he takes in being part of an illegal operation. If this risk remained in place for tax-avoiding dealers and their suppliers, the drugs they sold would remain expensive just like they are now, and they would be driven out of the market by legit companies who could avoid the risks that kick up the prices charged by illegal producers and dealers.

Whatever pisses us off in 50 years will be the norm!

*somewhere in our future*

Back in my day sonny, we would get arrested (the children gasp) for having drugs like these. We would drive 15 miles in the snow just to smoke a bowl. Now everybody has a hash pipe. Times dun changed.

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Originally posted by Lira I don't disagree with you, but I think people simply don't want to pay the medical bills of drug addicts in general.

There's already a shit load of cash being spent on the futile war on drugs.

If drugs became legal, the tax dollars made from them would be put back into the system to pay for those medical bills, education etc