What you need is a good limiter.
Try TLs Maximizer or BuzMaxi 3. Both are great freeware limiters and rival the Waves L3 Maximizer.

You can then use a RMS meter to check the avarage RMS of your track.

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Originally posted by Eldritch You can then use a RMS meter to check the avarage RMS of your track.

http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/d...ware/Rms-buddy/

Haven't tried it yet but I saw your post and decided to link to it.

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Originally posted by ponsshin http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/d...ware/Rms-buddy/ Haven't tried it yet but I saw your post and decided to link to it.

Yeah, I use that one occasionally.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c yeah i would like a good limiter but do limiter boost quieter parts?

If you use a compressor on the quieter parts, you can set them it that way that they are always audible, yet low in volume.

I think that it's proper mixing that could resolve your problem, you should never let a signal go over 0dB (at least, I don't see the use of it). I never heard of this RMS thing though, but why would you like to make it yourself harder than you have to. I think you're best of using a limiter.

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I must have explained it all wrong ok lets assume I have a tune that I have mixed and am happy with each tracks level in relation to each other punchy drums, full bass etc, Nothing so far(apart from random peaks)has had to be limited it is all within 0db. But when compared to a track from a compilation cd the volume is quieter and the waveform is thinner.

My tutor has a program called an RMS normalizer that works the same as a normalizer but instead of boosting things relevant to the peak it boosts the entire song without boosting peaks over 0db. The wave appears fatter and fuller the volume matches that ofg a cd and the mix sounds to me the same only louder.

Simply put its like turning the master channel up and mixing down but with no clipping?
Hope that explains better were on holidays from university right now but i am going to explain

I would also like to add that this program does not normalize to 0db he sets it to normalise the rms levels to -10db max any more and it does clip but for some reason it still makes it much louder

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Originally posted by Sonic_c My tutor has a program called an RMS normalizer

Is his not VST? & why not give more info to the one he uses?

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I must have explained it all wrong ok lets assume I have a tune that I have mixed and am happy with each tracks level in relation to each other punchy drums, full bass etc, Nothing so far(apart from random peaks)has had to be limited it is all within 0db. But when compared to a track from a compilation cd the volume is quieter and the waveform is thinner. My tutor has a program called an RMS normalizer that works the same as a normalizer but instead of boosting things relevant to the peak it boosts the entire song without boosting peaks over 0db. The wave appears fatter and fuller the volume matches that ofg a cd and the mix sounds to me the same only louder. Simply put its like turning the master channel up and mixing down but with no clipping? Hope that explains better were on holidays from university right now but i am going to explain I would also like to add that this program does not normalize to 0db he sets it to normalise the rms levels to -10db max any more and it does clip but for some reason it still makes it much louder

It's still a limiter with a built in RMS analyser. See my previous post.

Everything he is describing is just like a limiter. Not?

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Ok, this is a limiter, regrdless what he calls it. Boosting peaks over 0db isnt´t possible in the digital realm (16bit-24bit), so that means there will be waveform clipping. Hence why the wave will look "fatter" after the rms normalizer, because the wave has been squashed.

Result will be that everything will have roughly the same volume,
effectively ruining the great mix you had to begin with.
IMO the rms normalizer concept is probably meant to to balance
several tracks to have the same dynamic level. BUT using it to squish mixes to make the wave look like a brick:

btw: still not trying to be a dick, but I´m quite stunned that a ME
would even joke about using something like a rms normalizer..

hmm maybe im wrong then guys he just seemed to get so much more out my wav than i could at home. If i go back to uni and he says its a dressed up limiter i will apoligise. But he did do limiting first before he did the rms thing. Once i know the exact program then we can all rip it apart for what it exactly does IMO the song was louder and sounded good but of course that is my opinion to someone else it may have sounded squished to hell.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c hmm maybe im wrong then guys he just seemed to get so much more out my wav than i could at home.

Which limiter did you use? There are plenty of bad ones. Try TLs Maximizer or BuzMaxi 3. They should allow you to get a loud enough mix.

I would suggest you look at soundforge or wavelab as you can rms normalise your samples in that.