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Originally posted by josh4 It doesn't fucking matter. You're going to get CHENEY, while in the second most powerful position in the world (first by some accounts) in a Texas courthouse defending himself? Bullshit. I'll believe it when I see it.

Don't take that defeatest tone in here. The left is supposed to be all high on victory and this is the best you can manage.

Start with the basics like SHOULD he be charged? Did he (or any other members of the administration) break the law? What are the ramifications of NOT prosecuting people who broke the law?

This is a more serrious international issue then most people realize. The US bases the extent of it's moral authority on the fact that it is a 'law abiding country'. Letting people who break the law go, at the highest level of power, who are being charged with some of the most heinous crimes possible, only affirms the popular beleife that the United States is generally a hypocritical country that doesn't even follow it's own rules.

How can any foreign affairs be repaired without showing the world that the laws are being applied as they are written, no matter how painful the results.

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Cheney-targeting DA is no-show By Lynn Brezosky and Peggy Fikac - Express-News RAYMONDVILLE — Willacy County prosecutor Juan Angel Guerra stumped a presiding judge and attorneys for clients as high up as Vice President Dick Cheney when he failed to show up to court on his own grand jury’s indictments. [...] The manager, Hilda Ramirez, was subpoenaed by defense attorney J.A. “Tony” Canales when buzz circulated in the courthouse that Guerra was nowhere to be found. Canales summoned Ramirez to act as representative for Guerra in hopes the motions could go forward. She told the judge she had been trying to reach Guerra all day. When Bañales asked if she were concerned for Guerra’s safety she said she would not know how to answer the question. Guerra’s cell phone message box was full much of the day, but an assistant who answered the line late Wednesday said he was not ill.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Ch...indictment.html

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Originally posted by Renegade http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Ch...indictment.html

LOL

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Guerra Calls Back WILLACY COUNTY - District Attorney Juan Guerra tells NEWSCHANNEL 5 that he will be in court tomorrow. He was surprised and caught off-guard by the quick action the judge took. Guerra says he was traveling to Mexico and didn't expect things to move so quickly. Guerra says he will be in court and he is confident that enough evidence exists to prosecute Vice President Dicky Cheney and the other high-profile officials. http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/11/20/1001540/Guerra-Calls-Back

Hmmm.

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Originally posted by josh4 Wishful thinking. They're all going to be pardoned. All of them.

They're all going to jail. All of them.

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Judge Dismisses Cheney, Gonzales Indictments and Chides Prosecutor Posted by Jennifer Forsyth Two weeks ago, the LB strongly hinted here that the indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales by a grand jury in south Texas didn’t have much chance of going forward. Well, you can call us the next Nostradamus, because those indictments went vamoose Monday. Here’s the AP story and here’s Am Law Daily. To recap, Cheney was charged with engaging in an organized criminal activity related to the vice president’s investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds financial interests in the private prison companies running federal detention centers in south Texas. The indictment accused Cheney of a conflict of interest and “at least misdemeanor assaults” on detainees because of his link to the prison companies. The indictment also accused Gonzales of using his position while in office to stop an investigation in 2006 into abuses at one of the privately-run prisons. What we weren’t able to predict is on what grounds the indictments would be dismissed. Administrative Judge Manuel Banales dismissed all eight indictments because the attorney for GEO Group, the private prison operator also indicted, showed that two alternate jurors were part of the grand jury panel that day but had not been properly substituted. The judge also conveyed that the Willacy County District Attorney who brought the case, Juan Angel Guerra, was out of line. “I suggest on behalf of the law that you not present any cases to the grand jury involving these defendants,” Banales said in court while ruling that eight indictments against Cheney, Gonzales and others were invalid. According to the AP, Banales withheld judgment on whether probable cause existed for the Cheney and Gonzales indictments because they were not represented in court and did not present any arguments. For the other defendants, he found no probable cause to support the charges. Guerra apparently was undaunted. “I expected it,” he said. “The system is going to protect itself.” http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/12/03...des-prosecutor/

ROFL

* does the I Told You So dance *

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby They're all going to jail. All of them.

Makes me wonder, what if Cheney did go to jail, would he be sent to one that he owned? If so could he just ask the prison guards to let him out because he is thier boss?

Does that mean that private prisons alow those who own them to do what ever they want?

I wonder how the US can ask any country to abide by the rule of law when it's clear that it does not exist in that country.

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Originally posted by atbell Makes me wonder, what if Cheney did go to jail, would he be sent to one that he owned? If so could he just ask the prison guards to let him out because he is thier boss? Does that mean that private prisons alow those who own them to do what ever they want? I wonder how the US can ask any country to abide by the rule of law when it's clear that it does not exist in that country.

It's abundantly clear that law does not apply to powerful people.

They can shoot you in the face without a hunting license, or even assassinate you, without consequence. Who knows what kind of evil, twisted shit they do in their spare time?

They can't be tossed in the slammer yet anyway, they'd just be given a free ticket out.

Wait for the next president to get in, then throw the book at them.