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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, but everyone hated it when it was first released. It became popular because a bunch of black kids made a genre called acid house. I agree that roland should lift their game a bit and either rerelease it or create something similar. Their gear is all so bloody pedestrian, its all aimed at the old guy who plays keyboards in the local pub band or people who make music for ads. They should create more stuff which is interesting and out there, but isn't a failure like the Vsynth. I think more synths with cool step sequencers generally would be a great thing, its been proven to work with the korg electribes, and I know Dave Smith's starting to throw a few step sequencers in there, they're really part of the core of dance music IMO.

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Originally posted by jupiterone thanks, watching the vid now reason i'm asking is because i have the opportunity to buy a 303+909 for 1600$ at a shop here. the guy has brought in like 20 pieces of vintage gear, amongst them are 303, 909 and 808, space echo ect ect., but i'm not so much interested in the 808. pretty sure many people wouldn't even think twice about it for that price but i've got a list of things that need repair/replacement around the studio there is something unique about his 303 too, it has this liquidy sound to it. read somewhere that no 303 sounded alike when it was first released, it just sounds so bad ass

I would buy the 808 and sell it on ebay to make the money then fix your stuff! I think that guy don't know what he has in his hands! $1600 for 303 909 and 808?

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Originally posted by Pagan-za Fighting online is like winning the special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

no, just the 909 and 303. i don't want the 808, the 909 has much more to twiddle around with than the 808 and i like the sound much more, if i want some 808 percs i'll just throw samples into machinedrum and go from there. i could do that for the 909 too but....it's a 909....

if it was all three for 1600 i would not be posting online right now

mmmmm you have a machinedrum tasty... i just need one of those and an 888

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Originally posted by jupiterone so, it's become this classic, vintage, legendary unit over the course of 20+ years, the demand is there but no one feels like dishing 1.5k+ for it. why exactly hasn't roland tried releasing a sequel unit but with improvements and a range of features?

That's Roland internal policy: the NEVER re-release a model. The deeper I got into synthesis, the better I understand why.

I wouldn't say it's damn simple to make synths, but nowadays, any VA synth or modular thing might emulate that 303 sound as all of those subtractive synths are based on the same physical laws. Everything else is just sequencing. Once you know how to program from scratch, you might discover that you no longer need this or that synth, and that the sequencer only was that great, until you discover how it's sequenced, etc... It's just a question of interface and macros, and some of us just go for this or that feature, without even knowing how it works at first... It's kind of visceral, instinctive.

So why should Roland release a 303 again, as its software version has been available for more than 10 years? (Rebirth, ABL and now phoscyon). Why should they after 10 years of Reaktor, plug-ins, and VSTi's?

There will always be people who will only swear by this little box and claim that software versions don't sound as good as the original one. and I completely understand them, but we all have our specific demands. Roland's a company. They can't make a few hundred units like that. I wish that what you expect was that simple for all of us, so we could all invent something.

So, my point is that although I understand some people's frustration, I understand Roland's decision at least as much.

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Originally posted by jupiterone no, just the 909 and 303. i don't want the 808, the 909 has much more to twiddle around with than the 808 and i like the sound much more, if i want some 808 percs i'll just throw samples into machinedrum and go from there. i could do that for the 909 too but....it's a 909.... if it was all three for 1600 i would not be posting online right now

Buy it. If after you buy it you fiind you need the cash just sell the 909 and you are making just as much or more than you spent

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Originally posted by Lolo That's Roland internal policy: the NEVER re-release a model. The deeper I got into synthesis, the better I understand why. I wouldn't say it's damn simple to make synths, but nowadays, any VA synth or modular thing might emulate that 303 sound as all of those subtractive synths are based on the same physical laws. Everything else is just sequencing. Once you know how to program from scratch, you might discover that you no longer need this or that synth, and that the sequencer only was that great, until you discover how it's sequenced, etc... It's just a question of interface and macros, and some of us just go for this or that feature, without even knowing how it works at first... It's kind of visceral, instinctive. So why should Roland release a 303 again, as its software version has been available for more than 10 years? (Rebirth, ABL and now phoscyon). Why should they after 10 years of Reaktor, plug-ins, and VSTi's? There will always be people who will only swear by this little box and claim that software versions don't sound as good as the original one. and I completely understand them, but we all have our specific demands. Roland's a company. They can't make a few hundred units like that. I wish that what you expect was that simple for all of us, so we could all invent something. So, my point is that although I understand some people's frustration, I understand Roland's decision at least as much.

True, but I can't think of another setup which is as efficient as a 303, 909 and a keyboard synth for live work. Most synths these days just don't have the sequencers you need for that work. And ableton is... limited, in a lot of ways... Now if they put a proper 303 style step sequencer in ableton, maybe released a hardware interface to go along with it, and let you send the midi to any synths, that would really be something.

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