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Originally posted by Krypton Be my guest and prove a negative.

It's a double negative. You said "I currently will say there's a conspiracy."

Trancer, you forgot to log out Krypton.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It's a double negative. You said "I currently will say there's a conspiracy." Trancer, you forgot to log out Krypton.

No, let's rehash. I said..."I will not say, 'There is not a conspiracy.'"

What's not being said is, "There is not a conspiracy." So Lebez, since you've stepped up to the plate, want to prove there is not a conspiracy......While you're at it, prove there is not a god, or prove there are not tooth fairies. Prove whatever negative you want.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Burden of proof is on you, Broseph.

Apparently, you've assumed that my statement, "I cannot say is is not a conspiracy," equates to a belief there is a conspiracy. If you read the 9/11 conspiracy thread, you'de see page after page of me debunking wild claims about 9/11, and even having Trancer accuse me of being paid to be on this forum.

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Originally posted by Krypton Be my guest and prove a negative.

its called the 911 commission report + building 7 report. they proved definitively that there was no government conspiracy.

you can be as sure about there being no conspiracy as much as you can be sure about anything. there is no debate.

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The trouble with conspiracy theories that emanate from interested parties is that they are hardly ever based on any solid evidence. For this kind of theorist, motive alone is evidence enough.

I'm inclined to say there's no other kind of conspiracy theorist. Basically, the reason why conspiracy theorists are often harshly criticised is not because they're daring sceptics, with potential to become the next Galileo Galilei, but because they're usually clueless pseudosceptics that resemble a Franz Joseph Gall with poor debating skills. Granted, the line between the two is all too thin, but the usual inability to engage in a meaningful debate is the reason why I decided to limit the scope of discussion here.

I kinda feel that's the reason why this was posted, by the way. If I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me, and I will adjust my reply to a more adequate context.

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Originally posted by Lira I'm inclined to say there's no other kind of conspiracy theorist. Basically, the reason why conspiracy theorists are often harshly criticised is not because they're daring sceptics, with potential to become the next Galileo Galilei, but because they're usually clueless pseudosceptics that resemble a Franz Joseph Gall with poor debating skills. Granted, the line between the two is all too thin, but the usual inability to engage in a meaningful debate is the reason why I decided to limit the scope of discussion here. I kinda feel that's the reason why this was posted, by the way. If I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me, and I will adjust my reply to a more adequate context.

Galileo was a "conspiracy theorist" and so was Copernicus. So were the members of the White Rose resistance in Nazi Germany who apparently didn't stand much of a chance against the brainwashed masses of the day.

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Originally posted by gallantrybot Galileo was a "conspiracy theorist" and so was Copernicus. So were the members of the White Rose resistance in Nazi Germany who apparently didn't stand much of a chance against the brainwashed masses of the day.

wrong.

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Originally posted by gallantrybot Galileo was a "conspiracy theorist" and so was Copernicus.

If you read just a little about the history of science, you would know this makes no sense whatsoever.

(Don't try to turn the Heliocentric Model into some sort of conspiracy theory against the religious "Geocentric Myth", that would be just excruciating)

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Galileo and Copernicus were counter to the accepted norm, but they brought evidence to back their shit up, which is why they eventually became the new accepted norm.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Galileo and Copernicus were counter to the accepted norm, but they brought evidence to back their shit up, which is why they eventually became the new accepted norm.

That fact seems to elude so many on this board.