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Originally posted by Stef I disagree, there are quite a few ways to edit the audio in the playlist window

How? You cant even zoom in on sample level.. and you can not paint.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force How? You cant even zoom in on sample level.. and you can not paint.

What do i win?

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Originally posted by Stef What do i win?

Well then youre kidding me arent u... hahaha I just cracked out in some serious loud laughter. First off, I thought u would've guessed I meant samples like in digitalized sound... e.g. 44.100 khz (44100 samples per second).. and ofcourse you can paint chunks of audio onto the playlist.. but what you can not do is paint audio. Soundwaves. Hence audio editing capabilities is bad, which I was trying to point out.


U win nada sry.. ^^

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i came from ableton, but switched over to logic about a month ago properly and havn't looked back...

pros:
-piano roll is awesome
-the FX and compressors that come with it are top-notch, and extremely numerous (5 types of reverb, all types of distortion, about 15-20 types of compression for different sounds)
-it might just be me, but i get a much more professional and deeper! sound out of logic
-automation is second to none

ableton's great for the beginning stages of a track, really quick easy interface, but once you start mastering, and properly sequencing etc logic is a million times better imo...

cons:
-can be a little sticky, and frustrating at times

logic's awesome, just comes with everything you would ever need. all the built-in things (from synths to FX) are amazing too, would be possible to work solely from logic with no other plugins, which couldn't be said about any other sequencer i don't think...

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PROS
Easy to warp audio
Intuitive
can perform live
easy midi mapping

CONS
Poor quality warping algorithm
poor audio editing
no crossfades on a single channel (ala protools)
can be unstable
Poor automation drawing
No LFOs on automation
No track folders
Hard to keep a project organised and neat
I'll think of more

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Last edited by kitphillips on Dec-30-2008 at 04:25

Reason 4
-It's got basically everything I need in quality, no worrying about next upgrade(well except for sound banks) or if different stuff would be better.
-Malstrom for bloody powerful synthesis, which I have yet to master
-Thor. Great sounding filters, can have dedicated thors for lfos/global envelope so I can get an extra 4 global envelopes or lfos. Very flexible fm synthesis. Set an lfo to lowest setting+random waveform+route to oscilatter=analog drift, the amount determines how old sounding it sounds, the fact you can have different amount for different oscilatters=very interesting pads possible.
-Subtractor sounds like those really mean late 90s digital synths, great for fat n nasty full on psy basslines, I'll probably find more uses for as well.
-Do not have to deal with crashes on general vst registration problems or anything, also can collab with most anyone with the same sequencer because they will have the same synths.
-Really easy to understand for me, I've messed around with cubase 4... and it took me an hour just to work out how to insert a sample, let alone work out why no sound was coming out myseteriously.

-cons: Have to go out of sequencer to edit audio
-Could care less about vsts, but it probably wouldn't work with analog synths either

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Logic 8

Pros
-Way better than anything else I've ever used.
-The instruments and fx are great and very useable.

Cons
-I had to buy a mac.

Ableton 7

Pros
-Very easy to use
-easy to get a song quickly sketched out
-Can DJ with it
-Can do a live PA

Cons
-I hate the sound of the instruments and FX it comes with
-Terrible for mixdowns

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Sonar 8 Producer

Pros:
- highly configurable/customizable GUI
- excellent bundled plugins (effects and synths)
- unparalleled support for external hardware devices (synths, effects)
- step sequencer - makes drum programming a breeze
- sidechaining
- the best customer support (company and peer-to-peer) of any DAW I've ever used
- supports DXi

Cons:
- not the most intuitive DAW
- could use some huge improvements in the way it handles automation/envelopes
- step sequencer is very nice, but has a LOT of room for improvement

There are many more pros and cons, but these are the major ones for me.

Project5 v2.5

Pros:
- very quick and easy to use (a poor man's Ableton)
- cheap
- excellent MIDI support
- decent support for external synths
- excellent bundled plugins
- the Groove Matrix is very cool for arranging on the fly

Cons:
- its future is uncertain and Cakewalk's way of dealing with it has been pretty horrendous; promised an upgrade over a year ago, then have been completely silent on it ever since
- hideous GUI - too much white and other light colors; eye-strainer for those of us who work in a dark environment
- no multi-core support (but that was promised in the upgrade)
- doesn't handle audio very well

Pro Tools 7.4LE w/MBox2 Mini
Pros:
- cheap

Cons:
- almost too many to mention, but here are some of the biggies for me:
- terrible bundled plugins (most are just limited edition teasers of much more expensive plugins)
- sound quality of anything recorded through an MBox is pretty bad, especially for a product whose platform is regarded as the "industry standard"
- MIDI implementation is a joke
- hideous GUI

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Originally posted by Zild Logic 8 Pros -Way better than anything else I've ever used. -The instruments and fx are great and very useable. Cons -I had to buy a mac.

ditto

Is there stuff cubase completely doesnt have compared to some other sequencers?

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Originally posted by gr8ape Is there stuff cubase completely doesnt have compared to some other sequencers?

nah

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