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Originally posted by palm everything in this thread is so wrong. "the king/master of reason" wtf lol i bet i know it better that him. "still good for something" what do u mean still, reason 4 isnt actualy very old now is it? fuck of. i find it an awesome program at what it does, i make tracks in it in 2hours.

But look at your tracks in comparison to his or mine, the fact that you can make a track in two hours isn't very awe inspiring because they aren't really up there in terms of quality or originality. Don't want to offend you or anything but come on, there is no need to throw baseless hate around.

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Kandi's tracks are certainly high on sound quality -- definitely higher than anything I've done -- but fairly low on originality, IMO. I think a lot of people on this site have more creativity than many famous producers. They just don't have as much skill at mixing and mastering, so their tracks sound less "professional."

I like Reason too for the routing, its like having a real rack of instruments in front of you.
The only problem is.. reason sucks.

Propellerhead knew it sucked, they tried to beef it up with the combinator, it still sucked, so they added thor, but then they made the sequencer even worse than before, so it still sucks equally.

I LOVE redrum and subtractor, don't get me wrong, but absolutely prefer FL Studio anyday over Reason. Its better in too many ways. And I piss on every magazine that chooses to put a tutorial about Reason in there and not a single breath about Fruity.

Well, I don't really consider myself a "Reason user", but I have used it considerably when collaborating with friends, so I have some experience. But, I don't really perceive the hatred toward Reason that is being implied here. True, Reason has its limitations, but I think that it's generally regarded as a capable instrument for producing electronica. Here are my quick takes on some of the knocks against Reason:

(1) Reason sounds thin

Con: It's hard to make huge sounding leads, basses, etc. without liberal use of layering, EQing, compressing, etc.

Pro: It's very easy to get Reason's instrument to sit in a mix

(2) Reason is a closed environment/does not support VSTs

Con: The user is limited to Reason's onboard instruments and effects; or must use Rewire it to a host DAW to take advantage of VSTs.

Pro: Reason provides several good synths and the strict Reason user is not as succeptible to being paralyzed by having too many VSTs; this can also translate to a significant cost-savings. Compensation for this limitation comes in the form of Refills.

(3) You cannot record audio in Reason

Con: Uh, well, you cannot record audio in Reason.

Pro: Many Reason users wouldn't record audio anyway, so the app stays streamlined (and more stable) and the keeps the cost down. For those who want to record audio, there is always Rewire or just bouncing Reason tracks to audio and importing into another DAW.

(4) Reason's sequencer is simple

Con: True, it's a simple sequencer, but it covers the necessary bases. Also does not support external MIDI/hardware. There are probably other cons here, but I honestly don't have in-depth familiarity with its sequencer.

Pro: Uh, well, Reason's sequencer is simple. That's a huge pro in my book. The ability to get your ideas down quickly when inspiration strikes is a huge plus. Also, with its simplicity (and closed environment) comes stability, another huge plus.

(5) Combinator

Con: none

Pro: Awesome feature. I wish every DAW had this capability.

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Originally posted by cryophonik (5) Combinator Con: none Pro: Awesome feature. I wish every DAW had this capability.

What is it? Last time I looked at Reason was many years ago, I don't think it had this, whatever it is.
I dismissed it as a toy that would eventually limit me.

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Originally posted by palm everything in this thread is so wrong. "the king/master of reason" wtf lol i bet i know it better that him. "still good for something" what do u mean still, reason 4 isnt actualy very old now is it? fuck of. i find it an awesome program at what it does, i make tracks in it in 2hours. yeah it has it limitations and lacks which just gives them the opertunity to release newer versions. stop talking shit about it, its like an awesome flexible groovebox really instead of daw so it cant be compared to logic, cubase, ableton. if ur into recording or vst just get something different, I on the other hand like stuff who just works in five minutes and allowes me to push tracks out fast. (tho it has some issues i dont like but i wont mention them here).

Discussing pros/cons isn't my idea of "talking shit." This passionate "discussion" is almost as stupid as trying to argue which method of DJing superior.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Stef But look at your tracks in comparison to his or mine, the fact that you can make a track in two hours isn't very awe inspiring because they aren't really up there in terms of quality or originality. Don't want to offend you or anything but come on, there is no need to throw baseless hate around.

my tracks lack of quality is more related to me than the program, yeah im starting to feel its limitations but ive heard alot of amazing tracks it which makes me realize thats its me being too lazy and not the actual program. i also have the feeling that it sounds thinner and muddier than others but theres no problem mixing in some other app and thats what im starting to look at now. im just abit tired of people bashing reason beacuse its great at what is does, allowing my creativity to come down on the sheets easily. my tracks lacking of quality is as said before my own fault due laziness or im actually happy with many of the tracks. im not spreading hate. btw seems u got some ego yourself quote: "But look at your tracks in comparison to his or mine". I havent listened to your tracks lately tho so i cant say anything but u get the idea. I do think my own tracks are original tho, if not quality i def feel their original (some of them). it all comes down to a matter of taste tho and its really no point discussing it. i just want to avoid bad words about reason in general caus it is good for alot of things. actual stuff missing in reason are ofcourse welcome to discuss.

i think reason is great... but i think of it as an instrument, not a DAW.

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Originally posted by MOK What is it? Last time I looked at Reason was many years ago, I don't think it had this, whatever it is. I dismissed it as a toy that would eventually limit me.

Combinator is basically an encasement for the entire setup of one of your instruments. You can save patches that already have all of your EQing, effects and other units setup to your liking and you can have multiple synths/samples being used and you can program every knob/slider to trigger something else within the patch and theres no need for multiple sequencer tracks.

I basically only use Reason, unless I'm using my own samples, then I need another program first, then I stick each clip into an NNXT.

Urgh... Here we go again.. another "reason is good/bad becauase.." thread! You can make as good stuff in reason as any other DAW. It just takes the necessary skills. Sure, Reason lacks a few features like VST-support but that's not really a huge problem. After all, it's mainly tweaking waveforms in one way or another..just as any other program.


Useless thread imo.

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Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave You can make as good stuff in reason as any other DAW. It just takes the necessary skills.

no ammount of skill will give reason timestretching or recording support...

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Originally posted by echosystm no ammount of skill will give reason timestretching or recording support...

I didn't say you could. I said "As good stuff". It's not really ESSENTIAL to have a timestretched or recorded sample in a track for it to be a good sounding track.

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