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Originally posted by Q5echo this upcoming gynormous stimulus package crap wouldn't be nearly half as big ($1+ trillion!!!!) under a McCain presidency and would be free of pork as well and thus be "infinitely better".

I love how the guy preaching about consistency is a McCain supporter. Grow up.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I love how the guy preaching about consistency is a McCain supporter. Grow up.

who said anything about inconsistency? it's a concistent fact, a running gag, Democrats will spend till they're blue in the face when given the oppurtunity. no one assumed Obama would be the one to break that paradigm, i sure as hell didn't. and here we are, not even President yet and he's just getting warmed up with a cool $1 trillion in new additional spending and pork. now thats consistency.

it's more than a fair assumption McCain wouldn't be anywhere near $1+ trillion dollars if he was forced to initiate a new stimulus. it's true and you know it. either prove me otherwise or shut your fucking trap.

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Originally posted by Q5echo who said anything about inconsistency?

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Originally posted by Q5echo ...the point here is there shouldn't be such clear distinctions between what Obama has said he'd do and what he actually will do or what he's capable of doing.

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Originally posted by Q5echo and here we are, not even President yet and he's just getting warmed up with a cool $1 trillion in new additional spending and pork. now thats consistency.

it's almost universally recognized by economists that we need an enormous spending package to prevent more job losses and hopefully create some jobs.

....and a stimulus package is not pork. pork spending is when a senator or congressman appropriates government spending for the benefit of a specific constituent (e.g., a senator appropriates funding to build a highway that will benefit a developer within the senators state).

I'd like to add this to the backpedaling:

Remember at the debate when Obama vowed, "We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush al-Qaeda"? (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...politicalticker) He's stressed the importance of taking out Osama on other occasions, but never quite as forcefully as that. Change of plans:

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COURIC: How important do you think it is, Mr. President-elect, to apprehend Osama bin Laden? OBAMA: I think that we have to so weaken his infrastructure that, whether he is technically alive or not, he is so pinned down that he cannot function. My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him. But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America.

http://thepage.time.com/obama-talks...s-katie-couric/

This is the counterterror equivalent of Obama promising that he'll save three million jobs: He "succeeds" merely by maintaining the status quo. If pinning down Osama so that he can't function is the goal, the goal was met literally years ago. Cofer Black described Bin Laden as far back as 2004 as having been reduced to a figurehead whose operational role had been taken over by Zawahiri; NBC's investigative team talked to intel officials this past summer and found that judgment still held. In a speech given just two months ago, CIA chief Michael Hayden described it this way:

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Osama bin Laden is alive and "putting a lot of energy into his own security," the director of the CIA, General Michael Hayden, said today. Without directly referring to the CIA's offensive blitz of unmanned missile attacks in the tribal areas of Pakistan, the CIA boss said the US had successfully isolated the al Qaeda leader bin Laden, referring to him in the present tense. "He appears to be largely isolated from the day-to-day operations of the organization he leads," Hayden said in a speech delivered to the Atlantic Council in Washington.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6248595&page=1

I'm not saying Obama is wrong; he isn't. If they can't operate, they are effectively neutralized. Oddly though, the Left never saw it that way with Bush. I wonder if they'll see it now.

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Originally posted by Q5echo really? how about immigration? ...or the TARP?...or the SURGE! plenty of GOP annimosity has been going around for years, YEARS!!!!!!!!!!! but again, you don't pay attention this isn't and shouldnt be about W

Actually, I pay very close attention, and you once again seem unable to understand my version of the english language.

You can't do "whatever you want" as president if you want to achieve certain goals and you know you need bipartisan support, or want to include political adversaries in your plans. Obama wants to work with people, he wants to be inclusive and not exclusive. That requires a great deal of compromise and willingness to give the other side breaks. Bush & Cheney had little to no need for partisanship or including political adversaries in their decisions and agenda. They mostly did what they wanted how they wanted and anyone who disagreed pretty much was given the finger.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis They mostly did what they wanted how they wanted and anyone who disagreed pretty much was given the finger.

or called unpatriotic...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I feel sorry for those who really thought he could actually change anything.

You're right - Obama won't change me. I'll still be same ol' dick.

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For fucks sake people, the man ain't even swore in and you people are foaming at the mouth... hating bunch of bastards!

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This picture of Barack Obama is the first official presidential portrait ever taken by a digital camera. The details are in the EXIF data. It was taken by Pete Souza, the official White House photographer, with a Canon 5D Mark II. According to the EXIF data, it was shot last night at 5:38pm. The settings: 1/125 exposure, F/10.0, 105mm focal length, ISO 100, no flash.

he need to run that brush through his head before taking any pictures in the future


but remember in 4 years what he looks like now..... i bet he is going to age fast as shit.....especially once he finds out about the space ships from other planets.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 it's almost universally recognized by economists that we need an enormous spending package to prevent more job losses and hopefully create some jobs.

its universally recognised $800 billion is going to produce 3.6 million jobs?

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....and a stimulus package is not pork. pork spending is when a senator or congressman appropriates government spending for the benefit of a specific constituent (e.g., a senator appropriates funding to build a highway that will benefit a developer within the senators state).

are you telling me there are no earmarks in this?

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Originally posted by Q5echo this upcoming gynormous stimulus package crap wouldn't be nearly half as big ($1+ trillion!!!!) under a McCain presidency and would be free of pork as well and thus be "infinitely better".

can i just say lol? mccain knows about as much about the economy as my left nut. he would've been pushed in whatever direction his advisers chose.

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Originally posted by Clovis Jesus H Christ, can we let the guy get 15 seconds actually in office before we lambast what he hasn't even attempted yet?

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