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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Compression makes it sound louder even if the height of the peaks are the same. The subjective perception of loudness is mostly based on average level, not peaks. That's the point of compression after all -- same peak level (0dB) in the final product, but higher average level.

This is correct.

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I try not to compress on the master at all, usually will only put a limiter there.

If someone needs compression, it can be done on the individual channel. The rest can be fixed through a better mixdown and EQ.

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If your sound was designed properly, what would be the need for a compressor anyways? If you make your sound properly it won't peak, and it will have the thump that you require.

Ive yet to find any real use for a compressor.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Compression makes it sound louder even if the height of the peaks are the same. The subjective perception of loudness is mostly based on average level, not peaks. That's the point of compression after all -- same peak level (0dB) in the final product, but higher average level.

You're right, I wasn't clear enough in my explanation - I meant that the perceived volume should be the same, not where the peaks were hitting.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Quote who your talking to, because no one said to master a track before mixing, not even the OP.

was referring to the first post. No one mentioned mastering clear out in thoose exact words but it is exactly what it's about. Trying to do mastering and mixing at the same time

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On the other hand, theres logic in putting a limiter on the master channel so as not to blow your speakers, provided your checking to make sure that your not hitting it periodically. I'd do this more for composition and then turn it off for mixing though - if I did it at all.

I don't do compression but I always Bass cut at 40 hz when starting to get more accurate monitoring off the main channel's meter. If your doing really experimental sounds in reaktor it might be a good idea to limit the master channel, since results can be a bit unpredictable...

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Actually,

Many people will put a compressor on the master buss before even starting the track. I have seen this used many of times and have done so myself as well. Of course you have to know what you want to achieve from the compressor and hardware will give better results.

I am not talking heavy compression here. A very low ratio and a couple of db of gain reduction max. If you know what you are doing you can help glue the track together or even add a slight punch to the track. Depending on what hardware compressor you use, you can also add character to the track.

API 2500 is used for this electronic music quite regulary.

By the way, mixing into a compressor from the start will give very different results from applying compression afterwards. Read up on the topic. It is actually talked about very regulary. Check www.gearslutz.com forums.

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Ive yet to find any real use for a compressor

With practice you will find many uses for a compressor. What would you use if you wanted to bring out the snap of a kick drum? If you wanted to take away the transient of a snare drum? smooth a vocal performance? de-ess a vocal if you didn't have a de-esser etc?

Many people use compression to add colour to the sound, some people only use them as a correctional tool and others use them creativly.

Trust me, until you learn compression properly you are missing out.

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Originally posted by DigiNut There is absolutely nothing you can gain from this approach that you wouldn't also gain from doing the best possible mix and compressing afterward. Don't do it. Don't use a limiter either. You need to pay attention to your levels and keep them as flat as possible without a compressor; that way you can squeeze every last decibel out when it's time to master.

Ugh,

Limiter so that if you were to accidentally clip things it doesn't hurt your ears (unless ofcourse a limiter is there!)?

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I've been producing for over 3 years and started getting in to the habit of putting on the cubase compressor on to the master channel.

I could remove this I suppose and eq the individual tracks more,which I do anyway, but I found it an issue without the compressor before because the tracks clipped the mix when all played together, but that was probably me getting used to eq'ing!

It's interesting that mixing houses prefer a mix uncompressed at -10 to -18db so they have room to mix, over the years I'v picked up generally that as long as the mix sounds clear/loud/good on several different speaker systems - its all good!

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I so agree with the posts by Dannib. It doesn't really matter which way you do it as long as you understand the change in dynamics/interaction between sounds when using a compressor on the master while composing. A lot of artist do so. I do it too sometime (not often), depending on what kind of result I'm looking for.

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This is actually a common technique and is referred to as mixing into a compressor.

As with any production/engineering technique, try it - if you like it, use it, if you dont then leave it (but remember it!).

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may...compression.htm

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