the problem with obama and the myopic-thinking reactionaries opposing him is that obama isn't trying to treat the symptoms of a disease, he's looking for a cure. his goal isn't to jump start the same UNSUSTAINABLE economy we had a few years ago, he's trying to shift our staggering one towards a MORE SUSTAINABLE model. what we had at the turn of the century was never going to last. it's best we learn that now before we strip our nation of all of its resources trying to figure it out. what good would revitalizing a housing market be? has anyone thought of the consequences of every person in this country being a homeowner? the cost of suburban sprawl on every one of our resources is staggering. do some research on the urban srawl and the population problem.

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Originally posted by Clovis No one complained when we decided to hand the banks 400 billion dollars, while the execs get thousand dollar bonuses and compensation packages, and when we decided we needed to go start a 500 billion dollar war to find non existant weapons of mass destruction.

Nobody complained? I sure did! All three of these "stimulus" bills have been an absolute joke.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Nobody complained? I sure did! All three of these "stimulus" bills have been an absolute joke.

stimulus isn't a joke, the republican brand of stimulus is a joke. 8 years in the making!

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen +1 I thought that was the problem in the first place, all the bad mortgages. How does this bill ease the loss of all of those, and save homeowners and banks?

Do a little more research and you'll see that the 'stimulus' plan is to stimulate the economy by creating more jobs.

TARP is for banks and unfreezing the credit market.

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Originally posted by Clovis Let's go over this again. In addition, an incredible amount of the money in the bill will help states like California and countless others facing huge budget shortfalls because of the economic downturn keep key social services programs, and cut less in education and other areas. This is a massive infusion of money into projects all accross the United States. Sitting on our ass while the economy goes to shit and just giving more money to banks is not going to cut it, and thankfully the president and the administration understands this.

Social sevvice programs? you mean like giving $500 tax refunds to those that have $0 tax liablilty and thus dont pay tax?

Recessions historically last approx 18 months, so following history it would be over by years end anyway. Even Obama has no idea if this will work. They are just doing SOMETHING for the sake of doing Somthing. Ever think you can actually make it worse?

ya because this is a normal recession we're in...

josh, you make an excellent political pundit.

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Originally posted by diskodave Do a little more research and you'll see that the 'stimulus' plan is to stimulate the economy by creating more jobs. TARP is for banks and unfreezing the credit market.

I am aware of the difference, but they are both be mentioned here

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Originally posted by R!CH ya because this is a normal recession we're in... josh, you make an excellent political pundit.

I agree with you, it isnt a normal recession. But have you even read the article? How much does that pay anyway, im in!

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Social sevvice programs? you mean like giving $500 tax refunds to those that have $0 tax liablilty and thus dont pay tax? Recessions historically last approx 18 months, so following history it would be over by years end anyway. Even Obama has no idea if this will work. They are just doing SOMETHING for the sake of doing Somthing. Ever thing you can actually make it worse?

Yeah, like I said, I already thought about it longer than you and the dipshits on TV have. They're hardly doing something for the sake of doing something, all the money in this bill is going towards great shit (if you're progressive).

Complain all you want anyway, we're gonna get it passed and you'll just have to deal with it.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen How does this bill ease the loss of all of those, and save homeowners and banks?

Homeowners should not be saved. It was their own fault for making a stupid decision to buy something they couldn't possibly sustain. I afford my mortgage just fine and took account all the risk and such when I bought my house 4.5 years ago. Don't reward the idiots and punish the people who pay in good faith.

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Originally posted by Clovis Yeah, like I said, I already thought about it longer than you and the dipshits on TV have.

I feel much better now, thanks for taking all that time to ponder our situation, our country is much better off now