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david.michael
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Fantastic post... love contributions like this.

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david.michael
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Here's a question.. is the frequency range of your monitoring setup going to significantly affect the accuracy of this method?

For example, if you have a subwoofer connected, is it going to cloud the results of this procedure?

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david.michael
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Here's a question.. is the frequency range of your monitoring setup going to significantly affect the accuracy of this method?

For example, if you have a subwoofer connected, is it going to cloud the results of this procedure?


Nevermind, after some research, it looks like the idea is that this is the optimum level to avoid the whole Fletcher-Munson effect... so I guess it doesn't matter.

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DJ RANN
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Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by david.michael
Nevermind, after some research, it looks like the idea is that this is the optimum level to avoid the whole Fletcher-Munson effect... so I guess it doesn't matter.


Don't really know what you mean by that, because it does matter. You have been calibrating with full spectrum pink noise test tones so the gain of the sub will have a big effect on how the overall system sounds. There's no point calibrating your monitors only to leave the sub on a random gain setting.

.....and this is why I HATE 2.1 monitoring systems and tell as many people in home studios to stay away from them. Fine, you like to listen with more bass, or you've managed to "learn" how to mix with it, great, but I have just never seen the point as you're mixing in STEREO for STEREO systems, not stereo with a sub.

Anyway, this aside, there's way more to calibrating a sub than just a nearfield pair. You actually have to feed a 40 - 80hz test tone through it and then calibrate it with relation to where you get a sudden peak (in db) at that frequency point.....but to make matters worse, placement affects this heavily so the only way to do it is trial and error by moving the sub to different positions and then running the calibration test gain. Lastly you have to also check it against each monitor (now calibrated) to make sure the bass is not affected.

Basically, you can do it, and I would suggest looking at the manufacturers website/contacting them, and there are various methods on the web, but to be honest, I would just play around with the sub in terms of position and different gain settings until you get it right.

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david.michael
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Don't really know what you mean by that, because it does matter.


Yeah, not sure what I was thinking when I posted that. Too much reading in one day, methinks. I came back and buried my own head in shame before I even read your reply.

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music2dance2
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Great info thanks dude. Will give this a try.

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Thank you a lot for this mate...

Really starting me to think more about levels and the mix-down... and where to go in my producer/engineer knowledge...


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DJ RANN
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Thank you a lot for this mate...

Really starting me to think more about levels and the mix-down... and where to go in my producer/engineer knowledge...


You're welcome

I keep promising but I will get round to updating it for different reference levels hopefully very soon....

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Magnus
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Very interesting thank you for posting this DJ RANN. I'm assuming this is what the IK Multimedia ARC does, only costing way more?

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/arc/features/


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RichieV
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that is a something completely different. It tries to remedy improper room treatment. Try being the operant word. It doesn't work in theory or practice.

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DJ RANN
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that is a something completely different. It tries to remedy improper room treatment. Try being the operant word. It doesn't work in theory or practice.


Exactly. This guide is to show how properly calibrate you monitors to a fixed and defined monitoring level which allows a calculated headroom for optimum mixing levels (the K System).

Those room correction systems (such as the ARC and JBL MRC etc) are something that tries to fix listening environment problems by applying changes (mainly frequency to the output of you monitors.


Those systems do have a limited time and place for use, but mainly they;re a band aid rather than a cure and I personally think you can achieve way more with simple and cheaper room treatment.

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another good post yibbidah yibbidiah


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