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Originally posted by Subtle Yes they do... it just requires more tweaking. Hardware will sound better straight out of the box IMO, simply cause they are better made synths than software ones.

Yeah thats pretty much it.

Ah I mis-read that post. Didn't meant to sound contrary. Same point though.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yes they do... it just requires more tweaking. Hardware will sound better straight out of the box IMO, simply cause they are better made synths than software ones.

In other words hardware synths generally have better presets...is that what you're saying?
I'm sorry but I just don't understand what you are trying to get at!

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Originally posted by spolitta In other words hardware synths generally have better presets...is that what you're saying? I'm sorry but I just don't understand what you are trying to get at!

Let me put it this way, i can pick a waveform from a Moog, decrease the filter a little. And it will fit right into the project.
Whereas to achieve the same sound from a softsynth might require some EQuing some compression etc.
Or simply take a square wave from a virus put a delay on it and it will sound awesome.
Or to achieve a Supersaw i just choose supersaw on the JP, add some chorus and there you go!

Less tweaking for good sounds is what im saying.
Its not written in stone though, sometimes it may be the other way around too.

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Last edited by Subtle on Feb-24-2009 at 01:48

Depends on the sound your looking for. Soft synths do some sounds better than hardware, and hardware do some sounds better than software. There areas that soft synths have to catch up on hardware and there are areas that hardware has to catch up on soft synths. Both are equally useful, but I prefer sounds from hardware.

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There's no difference between soft synths and VA hardware - they're both just lines of code, except one runs on your CPU and the other runs on a box. There are crap soft synths and there are crap VAs... The best soft synths sound just as good as the best VAs. In the old days though, VAs were programmed much better than soft synths. This isn't the case anymore.

I've never had serious use with any analog synths, so I can't really comment on that. I've never heard an analog preset demo that sounded any better than a typical VA though...

It would be interesting if someone made a blind test with two near-identical patches - one in a vst, the other on an analog synth. Something like just a saw and filter sweep.

Its a matter of Mojo baby. Seriously, if you have a massive connection to a piece of gear (hardware or software) then you'll use it more and use it better, because you have a relationship with it. Its harder to have a relationship with a piece of software IMO.

If you treat the synth as an instrument, chances are I think you'd probably like the hardware aspect, as you can cuddle it, stroke it etc. But if (like me) you treat it as a music making tool/toy, then software is equally good.

Oh, and no theres no difference in sonic quality between a VA and a soft synth, and I don't personally believe that analogue neccesarily sounds better than digital emulations.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Oh, and no theres no difference in sonic quality between a VA and a soft synth.

Not because they are hardware synths. But hardware synths are just generally better made synths.
They dont have to worry about operating systems, computer CPU, DAW, VST and all those protocols necessary to make them work.
That is why i think that they soundwise tend to sound better.

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Blah Blah Blah... you can get a sound from a VST that you can't from hardware and you can get a sound from hardware that you can't from a VST. The key to hardware is dedicated knobs, faders, menus and buttons that on software it's usually always changing...

... but, if you're asking if you can make the phattest tune ever just with software, then I would say YES. hell, maybe you can even make with this http://www.audiorealism.se/technobox/index.htm

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Look at the Korg MS-20 <3 circuit boards.

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Originally posted by echosystm There's no difference between soft synths and VA hardware - they're both just lines of code, except one runs on your CPU and the other runs on a box. There are crap soft synths and there are crap VAs... The best soft synths sound just as good as the best VAs. In the old days though, VAs were programmed much better than soft synths. This isn't the case anymore. I've never had serious use with any analog synths, so I can't really comment on that. I've never heard an analog preset demo that sounded any better than a typical VA though... It would be interesting if someone made a blind test with two near-identical patches - one in a vst, the other on an analog synth. Something like just a saw and filter sweep.

No offense, will people stop promoting this poormans mentality. I think people who say that have convinced themself of that falsey to save money.
So you're basically telling people to believe "the best soft synth" is really as good "as the best VA?"

Ok, what are some of the best hardware VA's? Nord or TI? (to keep things simple)
Best soft synth VA? Hmm lets see.. Sylenth, Z3TA, Albino 3, Ominsphere? Zebra2? .. the list is fairly long.
If you do the math.
Theres actually wayyy more SS's that HS's (software than hardware synths) BECAUSE they are cheaper and they are infact also built for way cheaper labor/productivity and all around result to the box.

The best hardware VAs piss on the best softsynth VAs, if you can't hear the difference maybe you played your music too loud for a few years and damaged a part of your hearing. No jokes, I'm serious.

Also the OP raises a valid question despite those who think its a "buried discussion" a ***discussion**** by nature is active and alive, ("alive" people have them) you simply contradict your point using those 2 words in that order. When a discussion is burried it is not longer HAD, think about it.

And finally, hardware simply sounds better.
Give me a test and name the synths used in it with the sounds (link). One hard and one soft. I bet I can do it. =]

(I did not mean the SS's I named were all VA just saying the best in general)