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Originally posted by Alex You'd be right if the USA wasn't already involved. The fact is the USA have sent warships to the area and are now involved just by being there.

So is this particular hostage situation a chinese issue, french issue, iranian issue, or british issue? Each of those countries is also involved by way of sending navy ships to protect shipping lanes.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 So is this particular hostage situation a chinese issue, french issue, iranian issue, or british issue? Each of those countries is also involved by way of sending navy ships to protect shipping lanes.

Oops, I meant the response to the incident not the actual general protection of shipping lanes.

As far as I know US warships were sent to this SCENE were they not? I could be wrong but I thought they responded directly to this incident.

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Originally posted by Alex Oops, I meant the response to the incident not the actual general protection of shipping lanes. As far as I know US warships were sent to this SCENE were they not? I could be wrong but I thought they responded directly to this incident.

The US did specifically respond to this incident by sending navy ships to the scene, and escorting the attacked ship to Kenya.

i see what you're getting at, but i still tend to disagree. If the FBI was involved in a hostage investigation and the hostage taker killed the hostage, I wouldn't blame the FBI.

how long before these pirates turn up in newark, los angeles, and new orleans? if no-brain apes from a fourth world country can jack millions upon millions of shit with a few ak-47s and a raft, what could some of that inner city scum pull off here? if the cubans started now i bet they would have a monopoly on this actually

I'd say they should resort to the 19th century model of dealing with pirates. It's not pretty, but its a deterrent, and it worked in the past.

But, more effectively, instead of patrolling the very wide area of the ocean affected - not very successful, they outta put a man or two armed with decent/reasonable weapons on each passing merchant ship in the area and that outta be enough.

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Originally posted by sean5 how long before these pirates turn up in newark, los angeles, and new orleans? if no-brain apes from a fourth world country can jack millions upon millions of shit with a few ak-47s and a raft, what could some of that inner city scum pull off here? if the cubans started now i bet they would have a monopoly on this actually

one HUGE difference: law enforcement. The US has about 1 million sworn and civilian police officers. On the other hand, Somolia is a lawless land. If Somolia some civil stability piracy likely would not be an issue.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium But, more effectively, instead of patrolling the very wide area of the ocean affected - not very successful, they outta put a man or two armed with decent/reasonable weapons on each passing merchant ship in the area and that outta be enough.

exactly. im not sure why the companys arent shelling out some cash for a few 50 cal's onboard. Small investments for the amount of headache's, money & most importantly... lives that can be saved.

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Maybe if the Islamic Courts Union was allowed to rightfully take power, there would be civil order, but of course we have our hand on Somalia and won't allow them to form their own government.

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Originally posted by jonSun exactly. im not sure why the companys arent shelling out some cash for a few 50 cal's onboard. Small investments for the amount of headache's, money & most importantly... lives that can be saved.

holding those weapons may violate the laws of the countries on the ships itenerary.

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Originally posted by Krypton Maybe if the Islamic Courts Union was allowed to rightfully take power, there would be civil order, but of course we have our hand on Somalia and won't allow them to form their own government.

In the 90s. Every problem is not a consequence of some US action.

Slowly, I'm really starting to think you do despise the US (as accused by others on this board).

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 In the 90s. Every problem is not a consequence of some US action. Slowly, I'm really starting to think you do despise the US (as accused by others on this board).

I'm not talking about the 90's. I'm talking about when the ICC took over Mogadishu and instituted some semblance of order, and got rid of pirates in their territory. Only to have a US-backed Ethiopian invasion and occupation of the country.

I know opposition to our country participating in numerous invasions, coups, and occupations is anti-American or anti-patriotic to you people, but I couldn't give a flying fuck how others perceive my views. Or about patriotism. Patriotism is a farce.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm not talking about the 90's. I'm talking about when the ICC took over Mogadishu and instituted some semblance of order, and got rid of pirates in their territory. Only to have a US-backed Ethiopian invasion and occupation of the country.

So, your implication is that Ethiopia went to war with Somolia because the US didn't want the Islamist to rule the country. Is that correct?

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Originally posted by Krypton I know opposition to our country participating in numerous invasions, coups, and occupations is anti-American or anti-patriotic to you people, but I couldn't give a flying fuck how others perceive my views. Or about patriotism. Patriotism is a farce.

Your dissent is not the problem. It's the fact that it appears to everyone on this board that you think everything wrong with the world is somehow connected to something done by the US. In short, that's a really easy way to avoid understanding the fundamental issue.

I couldn't care less whether you are patriotic. That's not important to me.