As much as I'd like to see a real revolutionary movement, this isn't it. 17ss, look at the fox news video I posted above.. They were doing all the could in the days leading up to pump this event..and the same thing was happening on a few talk radio stations I flipped on recently (Medved, Gallagher, etc) I don't deny there is some grassroots anger at government in general, but honestly..where were these people when Bush was bankrupting us over the past 8 years..growing non defense spending 3X faster than Bill Clinton and doubling the national debt? It was Bush who started the ball rolling on these bailouts and stimulus plans. Why is this populist "grassroots" movement only showing up now when the GOP is completely out of power?

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Originally posted by The17sss And along the way, detractors have fumbled and bumbled over how to discredit the Tea Party organizers — first blaming a cabal tied to CNBC, then jeering at the amateurishness of the participants before crying “astroturf,” then claiming the events were “financed by Fox News” or (fill-in-the-blank) conservative conspiracy, then smearing the protesters as crazed gun nuts (FNC’s Bob Beckel) and racists (FNC’s Geraldo Rivera). Wouldn’t it be refreshing if MSM coverage refrained from parroting all the lazy, groundless, uninformed canards and reported the simple truth? [/I][/B]

Your examples are both from Fox News... why am I not surprised that someone finds their reporting inaccurate?

And for God's sake, keep comparing these loons to Code Pink all you want. They're both crazies, and really f'ing annoying.

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'grassroots', 'organic', 'buzz word' buzz word buzz word.

The fact that fox was anouncing where the protests would be held in advance of them happening means it's not grass roots, it is supported by fox 'news'.

The news isn't a pre-emptive type of thing, you report on things that have happened, not on things that are going to happen.

I've never really been a fan of either grassroots or organic terminology but at least when the left used them it was natural for them. The fox reports using the words sound just plain lame.

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Originally posted by atbell The news isn't a pre-emptive type of thing, you report on things that have happened, not on things that are going to happen.

So what were reporters who camped out in front of Bernie Madoff's apartment for 3 months prior to his arraignment doing? What do you call weather reporters who's job is to forecast events before they happen? They're not necessarily manufacturing the weather patterns. Fox covered an event that they knew was going to happen because it's been being talked about and planned for months.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt but honestly..where were these people when Bush was bankrupting us over the past 8 years..growing non defense spending 3X faster than Bill Clinton and doubling the national debt? It was Bush who started the ball rolling on these bailouts and stimulus plans. Why is this populist "grassroots" movement only showing up now when the GOP is completely out of power?

They were everywhere. Now Obama is going to triple it and does that make it ok since Clinton and Bush did it too? Obama is a hypocrite and thanks for clearing that up. Remember Obama was screaming "CHANGE".

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Originally posted by Capitalizt It was Bush who started the ball rolling on these bailouts and stimulus plans. Why is this populist "grassroots" movement only showing up now when the GOP is completely out of power?

I think it was more Bernanke and Paulson talking in Bush's ear. As far as the second point, it's a fair point for sure. Here was an article in the AJC this morning.

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Thousands turn out for tax protest at Capitol By AARON GOULD SHEININ, KENT A. MILES The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Wednesday, April 15, 2009 Thousands of tax protesters streamed Wednesday to state government’s front lawn, creating a sign-waving, anthem-shouting mass as darkness fell. The Atlanta “Tea Party” at the Georgia Capitol stretched for blocks in protest of federal spending and the Obama Administration’s efforts to stimulate the economy. “We stand here tonight seeing clearly what has been done and what we must do,” state Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ranger), said. Graves quoted a favorite of the crowd, the late former President Ronald Reagan, who warned “a government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us … blinds us to how it can harm us.” The Atlanta rally was one of 20 around the state and more than 300 around the country. Billed as grass-roots protests, critics — especially Democrats — have labeled the gatherings as frauds created by Republican advocacy groups with the backing of deep-pocketed lobbyists and Fox News. An expected counterprotest at the Capitol never seemed to materialize. Five state troopers stood watch along a stretch of Courtland Street where the counterprotest was expected. Meanwhile, at the Capitol itself, protesters — who model themselves after the Revolutionary-era Boston Tea Party — decried a federal government they say has lost touch. Speaker after speaker complained about the bailouts of banks, automakers, mortgage lenders and anyone they deemed responsible for the current economic crisis. Fox News erected a massive set where conservative personality Sean Hannity planned to broadcast live. Former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) spoke. His organization, Freedom Works, is a primary organizer of many of the tea parties around the nation. Armey’s group, along with conservative groups Americans for Prosperity and American Solutions for Winning the Future, founded by former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), helped organize the events. Gingrich was scheduled to speak at the New York City tea party. American Solutions president and CEO Dave Ryan spoke here. Armey planned to address the concerns critics have raised over who was in charge of the events. “I plan to tell everybody they need to make it clear it’s their gathering,” Armey said before the rally, as he stood at the corner of Martin Luther King Drive and Courtland Street. “It’s not organized by big shots in Washington.” And there were plenty of non-big shots in the crowd. Amber Anneshensley and her brother, Michael Obetz, both 15 and from Suwanee, held signs to support the cause. Michael’s said, “Honk if we pay your mortgage.” Their mother, Paula Lanier, said she brought her children to the rally to “teach them to speak up for what they believe in.” “I don’t like how government is spending my money, raising my taxes to give it to people who let their own businesses fail.” Jason Pye of Covington, the legislative director for the Georgia Libertarian Party, had mixed emotions about the rally. He and his fellow Libertarians have long supported the ideals exhorted Wednesday: less government, free markets and a Darwinian-approach to private business. Many of those speaking, he said, haven’t always protected those ideals. “I’m happy people are getting together,” he said. “But the movement has been co-opted by Republicans who are trying to regain their identity and want to forget George W. Bush existed. Libertarians aren’t forgetting.” Earlier Wednesday at a tea party in Marietta, Ty Hunter was among a festive rally crowd of several hundred at the Marietta Square. “When I was a boy, things were so much simpler. Government was not so much a part of our life, now it’s in every thing we do,” Hunter said. “It’s like we’re losing our liberty.” Mingling with the crowd were people in Revolutionary War-era costumes. At the start, “Paul Revere” rode in to the square on his horse to warn the people of outrageous taxation. Beth Pollard of Smyrna came to the rally wearing a hat adorned with tea bags. “It’s my first time expressing my feelings about what is happening in Washington,” Pollard said. “I’m glad to live in a country where freedom is appreciated.” In Atlanta, local conservative pundit and author Phil Kent warned the crowd to be wary. “Throughout history, oppressors have tried to control people,” he said. That control, he said, has come from limiting free speech and the right to self-defense and through “servitude with high taxes.” “We can’t have that happen here!” he said, to applause.

and this one as a born & bred Texan makes me cry. Why are my people so back wards?? Why so ignorant?? Fuck it. I will move the fuck on to Canada.


What it boils down to is that very high % of these people are going to benefit from BO's plan. The increase that will come will not affect these people. So what does it really boil down to? What is the shared spark between all of these people? Why is it that there is so much hate & fear in their words, voice and eyes?

this is getting interesting.....

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However, it's important not to confuse fascism as a movement on the rise with fascism as a power. If can only identify fascism in its mature form-the goose-stepping brownshirts, the full-fledged use of violence and intimidation tactics, the mass rallies-then it will be far too late to stop it. Fascism arose as a much more atomized phenomenon, at first mostly in rural areas, then it spread to the cities; and if we look at those origins, it becomes clear that similar forms already exist in America.

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Wow, Republicans really do have the emotional maturity of children.

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Originally posted by LazFX What it boils down to is that very high % of these people are going to benefit from BO's plan. The increase that will come will not affect these people. So what does it really boil down to? What is the shared spark between all of these people? Why is it that there is so much hate & fear in their words, voice and eyes?

Remember that these people live in a self-imposed vacuum where things like reason and evidence just do not get the chance to breathe. The fact that a 3% hike on the top tax-bracket does not constitute socialism or that the declining marginal utility of income provides a sound economic (and moral!) argument for increasing the burden of taxation of the rich never reaches these people. For them, politics is nothing more than a sport where the aim is to beat the other team: Democrats = Socialism, therefore - as fans of capitalism - the Democrats must be opposed. At no point does reason enter into this diatribe, much less any semblence of a viable, competing policy. No, the aim here is to simply jeer everything you opponent does, because they are your opponents and that's just what you do to opponents. The more competent your opponent is - or the more they marginalise you - the more hysterical and ludicrous the form your opposition must take.

And here we are.

Typical Keith Olberdouche. He wasnt there and he is trying make Neil look like a liar and he "was" there. Too funny. So Keith how many people were there?

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Originally posted by Renegade Wow, Republicans really do have the emotional maturity of children.

EDIT: Holy shit:

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Syracuse, NY -- Joanne Wilder has never protested anything in public before. She's never boxed with City Hall, let alone Washington. "I've been a quiet little person my whole life," she said. But today in downtown Syracuse, the 60-year-old great-grandmother will lead a Tax Day Tea Party protest against the spending policies of the Obama administration and Congress. [...] After a lifetime of working, paying taxes and raising three children on her own, Wilder is struggling. She said she retired on disability from M&T Bank three years ago after undergoing knee replacement and back surgeries. She lives on her Social Security and disability benefits. Last year, she petitioned the bankruptcy court for protection from creditors. She said she did not have to pay federal income taxes last year because her income was too low. "I don't want to see this country turn into a welfare, nanny state, where we stand in line for groceries, and we're in welfare lines, and in socialized medicine lines," Wilder said.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....uld_draw_c.html

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS Typical Keith Olberdouche. He wasnt there and he is trying make Neil look like a liar and he "was" there. Too funny. So Keith how many people were there?

So I just did not hear Cavuto just say there were 2 to 3 times as the expected 5000 when he did not have an actual count, even though he himself estimated 5000??


fuck man..... you fucking people....