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Originally posted by chach Your whole existence is negative imo.

His whole existence is flawed.

He gets me closer to God.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby ...only serves to shackle the masses and create a protected class. It is the opiate of the people and is just a fixed fantasy that can only slow down the expansion and extension of the human race. It is the cancer that is killing us.

I concur with all of that even though I've probably had too many gin & tonics tonight.

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How do I view religion, chach? You can't just say positively or negatively, that doesn't say anything at all.

But I am pretty sure that whatever I would say would not agree with your personal sensibilities, so naturally it's a "negative" element.

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Well according to you religion is for idiots.

Idiot=negative

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Originally posted by chach Well according to you religion is for idiots. Idiot=negative

Religion is a mental disorder. You can be very smart, but still suffer from it.

It is a form of fixed fantasy.

When did I say that?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On When did I say that?

It probably wasn't you then. So if you don't mind telling me, would you care to share your thoughts on religion. Preferably christianity.

edit: not now I'm going to sleep I'll pray for you

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Religion is a mental disorder. You can be very smart, but still suffer from it. It is a form of fixed fantasy.

Hey if a fantasy can save and change a persons life then more power to them.

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Originally posted by chach Hey if a fantasy can save and change a persons life then more power to them.

Why do they need to believe in something other than themselves?

If people would just give themselves the credit we would realize how much we can do. This world would probably be a better place if people just believed in themselves more.

Passing responsibility off to a god, or other form of higher power is a disservice to yourself.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Why do they need to believe in something other than themselves? If people would just give themselves the credit we would realize how much we can do. This world would probably be a better place if people just believed in themselves more. Passing responsibility off to a god, or other form of higher power is a disservice to yourself.

That's a very humanistic approach/outlook on the situation. I'm sure you will never understand, hopefully you will one day.Really I don't think I can do anything other then by the grace of God. I'm thankful for everyday I wake up alive. Seeing the way people have changed from one absolute to another assures me of this. It's such a mixed bag though, and so hard to believe if you are a skeptic and have no faith what so ever. But for me personally seeing my parents and the way they live their lives gives me the best example of what christianity is. My dad going from in and out of jail, drug dealing, crazy colombian shit, to now being a pastor. He would never say that he did that on his own but gives God 100% of the credit for changing his life.

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Originally posted by chach That's a very humanistic approach/outlook on the situation. I'm sure you will never understand, hopefully you will one day.Really I don't think I can do anything other then by the grace of God. I'm thankful for everyday I wake up alive. Seeing the way people have changed from one absolute to another assures me of this. It's such a mixed bag though, and so hard to believe if you are a skeptic and have no faith what so ever. But for me personally seeing my parents and the way they live their lives gives me the best example of what christianity is. My dad going from in and out of jail, drug dealing, crazy colombian shit, to now being a pastor. He would never say that he did that on his own but gives God 100% of the credit for changing his life.

OK, that's cool and all, and respect to your Dad for working his shit out, but what if he's wrong? What if he did all of that just on his own?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk OK, that's cool and all, but what if your Dad is wrong? What if he did all of that just on his own?

Well then he did and it was for the better, and I'm glad because otherwise he would've never met my mom and had me

There is plenty of things that are miracles that go into my dads salvation. For example Colombia has a strict 3 strikes policy. The third time he went to jail he should have been put away for good, but through a "mistake" he was released. A week later he got saved through a pastor my godfather now. What he describes and what most as a specific calling. He wrote a book and its published. In spanish though lol