Wow, the denial and excuses never stop. And actual skeptics are called crazy... irony.

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Shh! They can read this...

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I'm of the opinion that the internet isn't a right to begin with,

oh this is going to be rich. one quick question Lebez, are you of the opinion that phone calls aren't a right as well?

EDIT> more specifically, are you of the opinion ther is no right to privacy on the telephone?

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and we're not talking about eliminating access to it

oh yes we are. read Sec.18 (2) >LINK<

this act gives the President unprecedented power to access, monitor and shut down any or all traffic he deems necessary in the name of national security, WITHOUT A WARRANT.

this goes waaaaayyyyy beyond anything Bush did regarding overseas phone calls from known terrorist phone #'s

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I can understand the arguments for it as well.

let's hear them.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z irony.

it's breathtaking.

btw, if Obama had been in Congress at any time during the Clinton years up until the run-up to Operation Iraqi Freedom he would have voted for the war in 2003. no doubt in my mind.

Whats with all the various preparations for a state of emergency? Almost like something bad is about to happen. I have a bad feeling all these "preparations" will be eventually enacted (at least for a period of time, probably not permanently), cutting internet and civil liberties in the process.

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Originally posted by Q5echo this goes waaaaayyyyy beyond anything Bush did regarding overseas phone calls from known terrorist phone #'s

I'm sorry, did I oppose that? Please let me know, I'm dying to hear.

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Originally posted by Q5echo this goes waaaaayyyyy beyond anything Bush did regarding overseas phone calls from known terrorist phone #'s

Actually, thousands of innocent Americans who had nothing to do with terrorism we spied upon. But nevermind that.

This internet control thing must be defeated. We have a right from unreasonable search, of which, this would constitute such an action.

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Originally posted by ******** I think what you don't understand about the internet is that it was started as a DARPA project... meaning the US military oversaw its implementation. Eventually it was turned over in part to the public sector. My first time seing the idea of the internet was in the 80's with PCconnect.. basically modems, the commoerdores, and others went from BBS's to static systems assigned at an IP rather than a telephone number. People were already networking before this. And the NSA and other organizations be the soviet offshore boats or other government groups were able to tap into these things.

Internet has evolved. From a Cold War tool, and as controlled and lame as it was, it became a powerful tool that it is today. Going back to controlling and manipulating it is a backward step. It will result in its demise - well, perhaps people will then log off and get a life?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Shh! They can read this...

Yeah. about as likely that you're being sodomized doggy style as you typed this, I guess they are since they're facing your monitor like yourself? I don't know, but I suppose you would.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller