If you have something to say, say it.

I want to see if your going to bring up the point I specifically didn't mention just so you would call me on it. And I will show you were I already mentioned it :P

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Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-18-2009 at 16:55

Using 2048 leads to an consistent annoying latency when recording, playback and etc etc.

Maybe it works for you, but im sure it does not work for alot of others.

When you eventually upgrade your CPU to be able to use lower latencies you will probably understand why lower latency is much more convenient.

I use 512 or 1024 samples (20 something ms) , im sure some people prefer even lower latencies than that.

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Cept that I already mentioned this is a setup without hardware. :P So recording isn't an issue. And I don't plan on ever having to record. And playback...00o0o...2/3 of a second wait. Not that big of a deal. Its not like it goes out of sync.

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Recording and playing MIDI, or maybe you dont use a keyboard ?

Is there a difference between 25 and 45 milliseconds ?

YES, huge difference, especially when you are pressing stop and play hundreds of times within a session.

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When working on a song and not in a jam session, I only play keyboard to build the melody then I open the piano roll/key editor and input the melody with the mouse. Its much easier. Then playing the melody and trying to even out each note and make them all uniform. Plus half the time I cannot even play the melody. Because I further refine it in the key editor, to a point beyond my playing skill.

When I'm in a jam session I go to 1024 samples because then it actually matters. Even still, regardless to what the latency is, my keyboard has its own sounds, and those don't lag. So I can still record a melody, with my keyboard, at very high latency. Because the midi information is still going to be on time if you play on time, regardless to if the actual sound is late.

The only hard part about recording midi information with high latency is the late sounds throw alot of people off and they can't play properly.

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You seem to think that everything within production that works for you is the law of how things are and should be done, you seem to be unable or unwilling to understand how people could prefer something different that what works for you.

Even if you can live with 2048 samples, you could at least try and understand why lower latencies in any case are better when it does not sacrifice performance.

To me anything over 25 millisecond is an annoyance in recording or playback.

Some people may even swear to latencies as low as 5 or 10 ms.

But i get it, this is one of your opinions, great.. 2048 samples is not a problem for you, but it is to me.

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Originally posted by Subtle you seem to be unable or unwilling to understand how people could prefer something different that what works for you.

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Originally posted by Subtle Using 2048 leads to an consistent annoying latency when recording, playback and etc etc. Maybe it works for you, but im sure it does not work for alot of others. When you eventually upgrade your CPU to be able to use lower latencies you will probably understand why lower latency is much more convenient. I use 512 or 1024 samples (20 something ms) , im sure some people prefer even lower latencies than that.

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Originally posted by Subtle Recording and playing MIDI, or maybe you dont use a keyboard ? Is there a difference between 25 and 45 milliseconds ? YES, huge difference, especially when you are pressing stop and play hundreds of times within a session.

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Originally posted by Subtle You seem to think that everything within production that works for you is the law of how things are and should be done, you seem to be unable or unwilling to understand how people could prefer something different that what works for you. Even if you can live with 2048 samples, you could at least try and understand why lower latencies in any case are better when it does not sacrifice performance. To me anything over 25 millisecond is an annoyance in recording or playback. Some people may even swear to latencies as low as 5 or 10 ms. But i get it, this is one of your opinions, great.. 2048 samples is not a problem for you, but it is to me.

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This is why i said "Here we go again"

Because i knew that if i explained it you would go on for 3 pages how it works so well for you.

What you said is that you DONT understand how people could use something else than 2048.

Ive already explained it to you several times.

I never said you were wrong.

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Or, you could have not said anything at all because I already know this, I already explained it. And that is that. You felt like you needed to say something even though you didn't read the thread. In my first post I said if people aren't playing live. That covers all hardware, recording, playback everything that latency effects.

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Originally posted by cronodevir No I use 2048 samples in ASIO. And I never get clicks or pops. Do you have some reason NOT to set your sound card to a high latency? Its only 47 ms that is a reasonable time to wait to hear sound when I push "play". Its not even a whole second's wait :P

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Yep, that along with my first post clarified that i meant without using hardware. Or live play. Keep up man :P Take my words in the context of the whole thread, not the individual posts.

Just for the record. I didn't push this off topic.

Do you *like* to argue with me?

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yep, that along with my first post clarified that i meant without using hardware. Or live play. Keep up man :P Take my words in the context of the whole thread, not the individual posts. Just for the record. I didn't push this off topic. Do you *like* to argue with me?

I just explained to you why 2048 samples is not a desired latency, what more is there to say ?

Oh, wait... oh yeah thats right.. YOU are using 2048 samples, so u dont agree with me.

and yeah i love arguing with you, i really feel its time well spended.

Trying to compensate my e-penis for the other one.

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