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Originally posted by culorut Fixed.

Pshaw, you know how many illegals Los Angeles hides?

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Originally posted by culorut No torture needed, intelligence was and is still good enough. And it was more than enough to stop the real 9/11. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...661#post9685661

wait wait wait... are you saying there is intelligence proving that 9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists?

Way to change the story, Batman! Thermite, my left testicle.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Pshaw, you know how many illegals Los Angeles hides?

and you know how many Lazy Ass Americans live there too?? Someone has to pick your fruits and vegies you eat. You think Billy or Bobby are going to go out in the fields and pick them for you??

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Originally posted by The17sss The debate isn't whether or not waterboarding is torture... that's its own discussion.

Absolutely right since it isn't a debate by any means.

Waterboarding is a form of torture. Thats it.

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It's for those who DO consider it torture, and claim that it doesn't work, never works, and has no place ever, period. I totally agree that ends don't always justify means, but this circumstance absolutely does considering what was gathered from the waterboarding.

I'm sure you can get people to spill a lot of different information in such situations, both real and false. If we try pulling off people's toe nails we might also be able to find out more. We could execute held captives' children, I'm sure that would yield a lot (and it appears to be concerns about his family that led KSM to divulge more and more, since they were being held in Pakistan)

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CIA officials have previously told ABC News that "Mohammed lasted the longest under water boarding, two and a half minutes, before beginning to talk."[54] (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investiga...tory?id=1322866 ) Legal experts say this could taint all his statements. Forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner, M.D., an expert in false confessions, observed from the testimony transcript that his concerns about his family may have been far more influential in soliciting Mohammed’s cooperation than any earlier reported mistreatment [55]( http://abcnews.go.com/International...=2955471&page=3 ).

The point here isn't whether it works or not.

The point is that if we consider ourselves to be a civilised nation that believes firmly in our justice system, our values and our core principles, then we should have no need for torture.

There will always be ways to rationalize the ends justifying the means. The question is how far do you want to take it?

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

Also, saying torture saved LA from a 9/11 style attack is an incredible stretch, since we will probably never know, with the myriad factors and people involved, whether or not it could have even happened regardless...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis since we will probably never know, with the myriad factors and people involved, whether or not it could have even happened regardless...

not knowing regardless is a priviledge. you're welcome.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov wait wait wait... are you saying there is intelligence proving that 9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists? Way to change the story, Batman! Thermite, my left testicle.

There absolutely was intelligence well before the attack. I have not changed my story though, you can go back through the 300 pages in the 9/11 thread and see I have been posting many more fore warnings from other countries all along.

The question is why would Bush deny that they had no idea about it and why they also lied they had never pre-planned for this kind of an attack when they did. (war game exercises)


Al Qaeda = Al CIAda

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s02-coop.html

Osama and the 19 hijackers were patsies, set up to do the dirty work. Thermite, 9/11 Omissions and flat out lies took care of the rest.

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Originally posted by LazFX and you know how many Lazy Ass Americans live there too?? Someone has to pick your fruits and vegies you eat. You think Billy or Bobby are going to go out in the fields and pick them for you??

+1

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Originally posted by Q5echo

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Originally posted by Q5echo not knowing regardless is a priviledge. you're welcome.

You should post more 9/11 pics, I'm sure that will change more people's minds.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.