Well if it was posted in an editorial without a byline, it must be true.

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Originally posted by The17sss From the Shale, approximately 800 billion barrles of crude can be extracted. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArt...323305469830589

dude - "shale oil" is not crude oil. The rock has to be mined from the earth and from the rock they can extract the compounds to create "oil equivalents."

I would never trade this:



for this:




especially considering we have an alternative if we use our heads. Somethings are more important than people driving cars with cheap oil.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002

thats what the Canadians do b/c no one gives a damn about the tundra from which they recover it.

you don't have to strip mine the Sierra Nevadas to recover ours. we can heat it in situ and recover almost half of that 800 billion with current technology.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well if it was posted in an editorial without a byline, it must be true.

The person writing the editorial didn't make up the facts based on 7 years of research. Read again:

"The Energy Department's Argonne National Laboratory indicates 800 billion of these barrels are recoverable with current technology".

.... recoverable from the Shale, Jerz... from the shale. Are you ignoring that because it's inconvenient?

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats what the Canadians do b/c no one gives a damn about the tundra from which they recover it. you don't have to strip mine the Sierra Nevadas to recover ours. we can heat it in situ and recover almost half of that 800 billion with current technology.

there are open pit and strip mines all over the western part of the US and the appalachian mountains.

These reserves aren't in the Sierra's, the reserves are in the rockies of Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah. While I'm not fully aware of the process to create the usable synthetic oil, everything I've read indicates that open pit or strip mining is the main process to recovery the materials needed to create the synthetic oil.

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Originally posted by The17sss The person writing the editorial didn't make up the facts based on 7 years of research. Read again: "The Energy Department's Argonne National Laboratory indicates 800 billion of these barrels are recoverable with current technology". .... recoverable from the Shale, Jerz... from the shale. Are you ignoring that because it's inconvenient?

seriously bro, take a geology class. Shale is a rock. The rock has to be extracted from the earth, which means mining the rock. Then, a certain compound in the rock is processed to create a synthetic "oil equivalent," not crude oil. This is basic geology you learn in a freshman college course.

In this case, they don't just drill a hole with petroleum shooting out of the hole.

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Originally posted by AsparTAME I'd like to hear you expound more on the negative side effects of the Monroe Doctrine.

Here is a good start my friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_ac...in_the_Americas

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Originally posted by Krypton Here is a good start my friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_ac...in_the_Americas

That's quite broad. Narrow it down like you did on your earlier post. Expand on one of the issues you mentioned earlier.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 seriously bro, take a geology class. Shale is a rock. The rock has to be extracted from the earth, which means mining the rock. Then, a certain compound in the rock is processed to create a synthetic "oil equivalent," not crude oil. This is basic geology you learn in a freshman college course. In this case, they don't just drill a hole with petroleum shooting out of the hole.

Are you serious? I never took geology in college man. I don't assume you took too many geology classes or had any oil extraction training in law school either. What I do know is that a 7 year study by those with no political agenda who do know and understand oil, shale, geology, etc. have concluded that there are approximately 1.2 trillion barrels worth of oil in that shale, and 800 billion of that they say can be extracted as crude with current technology.

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Originally posted by The17sss Are you serious? I never took geology in college man. I don't assume you took too many geology classes or had any oil extraction training in law school either. What I do know is that a 7 year study by those with no political agenda who do know and understand oil, shale, geology, etc. have concluded that there are approximately 1.2 trillion barrels worth of oil in that shale, and 800 billion of that they say can be extracted as crude with current technology.

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Originally posted by The17sss Are you serious? I never took geology in college man. I don't assume you took too many geology classes or had any oil extraction training in law school either. What I do know is that a 7 year study by those with no political agenda who do know and understand oil, shale, geology, etc. have concluded that there are approximately 1.2 trillion barrels worth of oil in that shale, and 800 billion of that they say can be extracted as crude with current technology.

reading comprehension my republican friend. I understand the amount of potential synthetic oil can be produced from the shale in colorado, wyoming, and utah. I am not disputing the 800 billion barrel of oil (equivalent) number. What you are clearly missing is that it is NOT crude oil that they would be extracting. There would be no oil derricks. They would be extracting rock, and converting a material in the rock through some chemical processes to create a synthetic oil substance similar to crude. If you re-read those impressive 800 billion numbers, you will notice it actually says, "800 billion barrels of oil equivalents." Equivelants. Equivalents. GET IT?

What i'm saying is the process to extract the minerals needed to SYNTHETICALLY produce the oil is not something I would want to occur because of the devastating effect on the natural environment.

Oh, and i took a year long course in geology in college. I was required to take two natural sciences in college (physics and geology).


Extracting the materials wouldn't look like this:




It would look like this:




GET IT??


Since i don't think you do get it, read this:

http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/index.cfm

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 GET IT?? Since i don't think you do get it, read this: http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/oilshale/index.cfm

I just read the shale link. So what if there aren't any derricks and different methods are used to extract it... it can still be used in the same way as conventional oil. My truck loves synthetic oil. If the oil extracted from shale can be used similarly to crude, that's good news.

p.s.- I took some psychology classes in college... doesn't make me a psychologist.