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Originally posted by RichieV let me dumb it down for you Kismet7 since you've been kinda arrogant Only a moron would pay someone 20$ to master a track Only a moron would actually believe good mastering costs 20$ Are you a moron ? I'm not sure. you don't have to answer. But i raised some very valid points that i just don't think you've ever thought about because someone that thinks 20$ is a selling point has probably never had anything mastered before. Do what you want. REcording studios that are going under are desperate and this is usually the typical cold calling they do to attract inexperienced morons that don't know better. They know that anyone that would pay the money couldn't tell what mastering should sound like so for them , its great. 20$ for 5 minutes of work. That is how much time they will spend on your track. and that is being generous.

Yep, i tested a mastering service which had a price of 15 euro for a track.

The guy had great client list, good reputation and all that.

I sended him the track, got it back the day after, and started complaining about the sound, the mastering engineer would not accept the fact i was not happy, and apparently there was something wrong with my ears.

Needless to say i did it myself and his master went to the recycling bin, since then mastering engineers can k*** my ass.

It costs money for good mastering.

Just by looking at a waveform you see whether a track is nicely mastered or not. (Good master will have a curvy top of the waveform, bad mastering will look more like a brick)

Here are an example:

www.subtleinc.net/bad.jpg
www.subtleinc.net/bad2.jpg

www.subtleinc.net/good.jpg
www.subtleinc.net/good2.jpg

(zoom ratio is the same)

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Originally posted by Subtle Yep, i tested a mastering service which had a price of 15 euro for a track. The guy had great client list, good reputation and all that. I sended him the track, got it back the day after, and started complaining about the sound, the mastering engineer would not accept the fact i was not happy, and apparently there was something wrong with my ears. Needless to say i did it myself and his master went to the recycling bin, since then mastering engineers can k*** my ass. It costs money for good mastering. Just by looking at a waveform you see whether a track is nicely mastered or not. (Good master will have a curvy top of the waveform, bad mastering will look more like a brick) Here are an example: www.subtleinc.net/bad.jpg www.subtleinc.net/bad2.jpg www.subtleinc.net/good.jpg www.subtleinc.net/good2.jpg (zoom ratio is the same)

well if good mastering skills were about a nice graphical representation of the waveform, I'd completely agree with you. But, sorry mate, I don't. There's no good representation, it's all about how it sounds. But if it sounds like a damaged track, then YES I agree, you'll see a rectangle/brick. But if it sounds good you can as well see a brick, just that the overall mixing supports a little bit more softclipping. Too much kills it all, but softsaturation sounds good at times, and it draws rectangles too!

Yesterday I reuploaded the entire cyborganic album for immediate replacement on all portals, "someone" had a very good idea and put ozone 4 in brickwall mode on the master before uploading it. I had complaints, and had to act immediately. My apologies go to those who bought it for the inconvenience.

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Originally posted by Lolo well if good mastering skills were about a nice graphical representation of the waveform, I'd completely agree with you. But, sorry mate, I don't. There's no good representation, it's all about how it sounds. But if it sounds like a damaged track, then YES I agree, you'll see a rectangle/brick. But if it sounds good you can as well see a brick, just that the overall mixing supports a little bit more softclipping. Too much kills it all, but softsaturation sounds good at times, and it draws rectangles too!

Im probably gonna get flamed for saying such thing hehe (looking at waveforms)
Its an valid observation though.
But yeah if it sounds good its cool.. although those tracks mentioned and a whole bunch of others around sounds horrible because its suppose to be so loud, its not good for the tracks lifespan.

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Originally posted by Lolo Yesterday I reuploaded the entire cyborganic album for immediate replacement on all portals, "someone" had a very good idea and put ozone 4 in brickwall mode on the master before uploading it. I had complaints, and had to act immediately. My apologies go to those who bought it for the inconvenience.

I noticed too that it was not like your website preview.
Good that you got it sorted.. curious though.. why do you not do those things yourself ?

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Originally posted by RichieV the mastering houses i know don't post on forums because they don't need the business. It actually looks desperate. I'm sorry but no examples or references is bad marketing when your strategy involves posting on forums. And if i'm reading the price correctly , 10 pounds ? You'd have to be brain dead to waste your time. You would run away from good marketing, which usually means the people in charge are not retards, yet you see something for 20$, which means they will put it in preset chain, and that doesn't make you a little suspicious ? let me dumb it down for you Kismet7 since you've been kinda arrogant Only a moron would pay someone 20$ to master a track Only a moron would actually believe good mastering costs 20$ Are you a moron ? I'm not sure. you don't have to answer. But i raised some very valid points that i just don't think you've ever thought about because someone that thinks 20$ is a selling point has probably never had anything mastered before. Do what you want. REcording studios that are going under are desperate and this is usually the typical cold calling they do to attract inexperienced morons that don't know better. They know that anyone that would pay the money couldn't tell what mastering should sound like so for them , its great. 20$ for 5 minutes of work. That is how much time they will spend on your track. and that is being generous.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 For what reason are you busting his balls?

I just think that mastering is a more personal thing and should be done by the artist or by a technician working for a label. I don't think its a good idea to just send it off for a couple bucks.

Also, I know it's only been a day but he should post back here. Right now it seems like cutting suite just went to a random forum and posted some spam.

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Originally posted by coroknight I just think that mastering is a more personal thing and should be done by the artist or by a technician working for a label. I don't think its a good idea to just send it off for a couple bucks. Also, I know it's only been a day but he should post back here. Right now it seems like cutting suite just went to a random forum and posted some spam.

In these poor economic times, people have need for services like mastering, at good prices. Im all for paying $100 a track for mastering or paying someone like Robert Babicz $150-$250, but as you can see 2 people replied with interest towards said service based on quality equipment (when a lot of mastering engineers are using shitty software to master) which gives this person quite a bit of credibility. And given the times, they have a decent price to be competetive obviously.

Some people need mastering demo purposes or maybe mastering a DJ Promo Mix, and the best bet is to go to someone who is affordable, and save money for more expensive mastering engineers for actual commercial releases. RichieV's argument that good mastering engineers would'nt advertise is as idiotic as it comes here. As if mastering businesses all grow from the ground without any sort of marketing to kick things off.


Pay good money and find a great mastering engineer for official releases, but for demo or promo purposes, $20 with the equipment he has is a steal. I think you guys are falling back on "if its cheap, its not good." When you should have looked at his equipment list, asked him for a demo, and then came here and said "its not good because its cheap" if it was really not good.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 RichieV's argument that good mastering engineers would'nt advertise is as idiotic as it comes here.

not quite what i said. I don't understand why you feel the need to have to have your say just to save face. You are young and inexperienced and i was only a dick because you were being extremely condescending. I'm sure you learned a thing or two and that is all that matters.

relax.

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Originally posted by RichieV You are young and inexperienced

His profile says he's 26, that can't be too young.

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Originally posted by RichieV not quite what i said. I don't understand why you feel the need to have to have your say just to save face. You are young and inexperienced and i was only a dick because you were being extremely condescending. I'm sure you learned a thing or two and that is all that matters. relax.

haha. Why would I need to save face? Your argument is so shitty it didnt even warrant a real reply. How am I condescending? You mean im extremely self-defending against utter morons like you.

If anything, bust out your notepad son.

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Don't argue with RichieV he is a guy who boasts about what he doesn't have, still uses AOLspeak, and has contributed nothing. And he is a walking book of logical fallacies. No one takes him seriously.

In his own mind he is cool because he registered in 2003 while we registered years later. So some how he convoluted his mind into thinking he was somebody.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 haha. Why would I need to save face? Your argument is so shitty it didnt even warrant a real reply. How am I condescending? You mean im extremely self-defending against utter morons like you. If anything, bust out your notepad son.

I don't understand your motives. You say my argument is shitty yet the argument you posit is not one i mentioned. I'm sorry i hurt your feelings and i think it is sad that you try so hard to minimize your embarassement amd the obvious misinformation you spouted followed by saying completely childish things. You thaught 20$ was a selling point and i think most people on here told you otherwise. Why are you so adamanant about defending your ego ? Again , understand as i said before posting those harsh words that they were just a return from your unprovoked tantrum.

can we please just end this. I am seriously getting a headache.