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Originally posted by RichieV depends how you use the word. A swing pattern default is ...|...|...|...| rhythm all these beats are equal now this .__|._.|.__|._.| rhythm second one is now silence again this is just the basic traditional version

What do you mean silence? You can have swing/shuffle without silencing elements........

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read between the lines.

i call it slide of the 16th, moving every second 16th nearer every second 8th. some call it groove and its whats wrong with todays music.

it is very simple


striaght 8ths are


1+2+3+4+

swung notes are 1e+2e+3e+4e


the + would be the 8th note off beat
A swung pattern is based on triplets
A straig pattern is uniform.
And you swing something more or make it more square.

In sequencers, swing or shuffle is expressed as a percent of a note length and refers to how the notes are quantized.

A 1/8 25% swing means that the first 8th note of the bar plays 25% longer and the second plays 25% shorter. Repeat.

You might ask how the above template applies to 16th notes (for example), and the answer is, it doesn't. Quantization swing only applies to the active division.

Jazz and a lot of house tends to have 50-75% swing/shuffle. Trance doesn't.

Swing means something a little different in a pure musical sense, and shuffle means something different still, but in sequencer land they both have the same technical meaning, as explained above.

If you have a real sequencer like Cubase, you can actually see the quantize lines shifted when you switch to a swing template. That's the easiest way to understand it.

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thanks for explaining my poor designs with better words. I am not a ascii pro or amateur.

It really is context

Depending on the style of music too


Swing and shuffle, in traditional terms are itendical except that all the swung 8ths are present unlike the traditional jazz swing pattern.

i find it helps to view swing or shuffle as 4 X 3beats. And depending on the style , you leave out some notes. That is what it was for drums and that is what they based the computer concepts on.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I can't wait for your course on music theory.

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Originally posted by cronodevir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmvmVVrego Also: Its of course a function to randomize songs in a play list, but I think you know that.

That isn't what shuffle means to most people in music

shuffle usually means a continuous swung 8th note pattern like so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwFdExvCxM4

Swing, a type of music is also usually described as a pattern like so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPXw...feature=related

sometimes shuffle can be a country thing justa less swung than normal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv1v...feature=related

or a rock/metal thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQrP4ewXb0

this time, the shuffle is from the kick instead of the snare as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpoY...E59AEEE&index=0

of course there is no 1 pattern that is shuffle or swing. Just default patterns.


for dance something that is swung sounds more groovy
this would be heavily swung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ml-jUdIbcI

this would be with no swing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-yAD6-9Ek

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Originally posted by DigiNut You might ask how the above template applies to 16th notes (for example), and the answer is, it doesn't. Quantization swing only applies to the active division.

im not sure what u mean here. when "shuffling" what u really do is moving every second 16th nearer every second 8th as i described above.

u can probably apply that to 8th and 4ths too in better sequencers than the one Ive been using though but normal is the 16th between the 8ths so it sounds like a horse.

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Originally posted by palm im not sure what u mean here. when "shuffling" what u really do is moving every second 16th nearer every second 8th as i described above. u can probably apply that to 8th and 4ths too in better sequencers than the one Ive been using though but normal is the 16th between the 8ths so it sounds like a horse.

As I said... shuffling is only moving 16th notes if it's a 16th-note shuffle. To use shuffle, you first have to pick your quantization resolution (i.e. 8th notes or 16th notes) and then decide how much swing/shuffle you want. The term only makes sense in the context of your current resolution.

For example, if you put in 3 16th notes at 25% swing, and then put in 2 8th notes at 25% swing in the same bar, the 3rd 16th note will not line up with the 2nd 8th note. With straight quantize, they would line up.

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