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Groundhog Boy
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Registered: May 2005
Location: New York, NY

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Yeah, my comment was more directed to bars-n-stars than anyone with real opinions.

I can understand the reaction down near Wall Street though, since many probably worked down there in 2001 too. But I don't know that doing something like this was "wrong" - that said, the secrecy of the whole thing just seems odd.

I've been getting quite pissed that people are blowing this off as nothing and I've repeatedly heard from liberal website commentary that New Yorkers need to grow spines (just look at HuffPo and CNN's comments. Between this and some of the business stuff, I'd swear they're trying to scare off moderates.

I wasn't here, but considering that I came right after, I've heard tons of stories from those that were around on 9/11. I have friends that saw people jump out of buildings. We have training sessions every year where we vacate to a neighboring park and they do headcounts. But they aren't panicked because people know it's an exercise, something neglected by this idiocy.


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Joss Weatherby
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Maybe if New Yorkers stopped acting like the ****s of the country.... They wouldn't be afraid of every joe-arabia crashing their planes into shit there, or blowing up their buildings.

Maybe you guys should stay away from hollywood disaster movies... god forbid someone show Armageddon or Independence Day on local TV and you have panic in the streets...

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Groundhog Boy
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Registered: May 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Maybe if New Yorkers stopped acting like the ****s of the country.... They wouldn't be afraid of every joe-arabia crashing their planes into shit there, or blowing up their buildings.

Maybe you guys should stay away from hollywood disaster movies... god forbid someone show Armageddon or Independence Day on local TV and you have panic in the streets...

You let me know when numerous people that you know that aren't interconnected are all killed at once. And how you feel when unnecessary actions replay that day for you.

BTW, knowing your other posts, I know you'd be cumming yourself had this been Bush, so please get over yourself, you're just another partisan hack.

You can go back over all my posts, I've been a big Obama supporter through the election, but this was idiocy.


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Joss Weatherby
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quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
You let me know when numerous people that you know that aren't interconnected are all killed at once. And how you feel when unnecessary actions replay that day for you.

BTW, knowing your other posts, I know you'd be cumming yourself had this been Bush, so please get over yourself, you're just another partisan hack.

You can go back over all my posts, I've been a big Obama supporter through the election, but this was idiocy.



It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane.

Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors flying near monuments it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.

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Groundhog Boy
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quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane.

Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.

I'm sorry that those in such low population density areas don't get it.

And in previous exercises, people knew it was coming, because they didn't threaten people with sanctions if it was leaked. Instead, we dealt with a flyby of skyscrapers, people in the streets, etc., because of nothing.


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jerZ07002
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quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane.

Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors flying near monuments it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.


have you ever been to NY? planes don't fly anywhere near that low when near Manhattan. I live right by an airport (newark airport) so i'm used to loud planes overhead, but if a plane was roaring over my building in times square you bet your ass i'd be a little nervous about it. planes don't belong near the city, and when they are near the city it means something is wrong.

look at it this way: if you see a tiger in the zoo you wouldn't be alarmed, however, if that tiger was walking around your neighborhood i'm sure you'd be a little nervous.

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Groundhog Boy
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quote:
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have you ever been to NY? planes don't fly anywhere near that low when near Manhattan. I live right by an airport (newark airport) so i'm used to loud planes overhead, but if a plane was roaring over my building in times square you bet your ass i'd be a little nervous about it.

I love how people with no concept of the way that NYC is set-up are so cognizant of the security concerns here.


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jerZ07002
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quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I love how people with no concept of the way that NYC is set-up are so cognizant of the security concerns here.


it's all about understanding the situations. I think the example from my previous post (i edited the post) should put it into perspective for the suburban dwellers.

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BARS-N-STARS
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What is there to be pissed about? Obama said it wont happen again. Be Liberal and be swept under the rug like a good follower.

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Lebezniatnikov
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I see your guys' point. For some reason I assumed that there would be planes on approach in the vicinity of Manhattan, since there are a number of airports nearby. And the fighter plane adds to the unusual nature of this - especially given the secrecy.

That said, for people in Washington, who evidently planned this, low-flying planes are rather normal, as Washington National Airport is about a half mile from the Pentagon and a mile or so from the White House. It's unnerving the first time you see it, but you quickly grow accustomed to it. In NYC you haven't had that luxury. The folks in the Air Force that planned this are probably based at the Pentagon, and probably didn't even realize how unusual this would look.


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Halcyon+On+On
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Registered: Sep 2004
Location: midcoast

quote:
Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS
What is there to be pissed about? Obama said it wont happen again. Be Liberal and be swept under the rug like a good follower.


Yes, because liberalism not only has everything to do with bungled aviation routes, it also has everything to do with conformity.


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jerZ07002
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quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I see your guys' point. For some reason I assumed that there would be planes on approach in the vicinity of Manhattan, since there are a number of airports nearby. And the fighter plane adds to the unusual nature of this - especially given the secrecy.


Each airport is at least 10 miles from lower manhattan, and all the approaches avoid the city.

I flew into DC in Feb and I was surprised at how close the airport was to the capital. The plane actually had to turn while it was making its final descent. Reagan is not a normal setup for an airport.

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