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Originally posted by Kismet7 I'd be the sadist and you would be the masochist in the thread I made about Political Correctness in Music. However in your mind, I think you thought you controlled the sidebar debate we had and therefore you think you were the sadist and I was on the receiving end of your attacks. Which does make things interesting, and goes back to humans subconsciously being S&M, without the image of having whips and chains and leather clothing attached.

I don't think anything of the sort, in either your hypothetical concerning my beliefs or the downright absurd notion of what you believe to have occurred. I think, more to the point, you were trolling, without being conscious of the fact that you were trolling; that you lost control of the discussion you started in order to garner attention for yourself, and that the thread was something of a failure because, under the veil of moderation, you had to control the input of others. I was disappointed, because it could have been an interesting discussion, but I think you weren't interested in going into the details that I was willing to. You seemed more interested in the facades rather than the substance behind them.

When you tried to correct me, for apparently speaking out of turn, I merely pointed out that I was right about you being a bit of a novice in the matter you were trying to discuss and that such a correction was compensation for that inexperience. Again, you're proving yourself a novice. If you thought you were sadistic, I beg to differ. You may have been quarrelsome and irritated because things weren't going your way in a manner which converged on hostility, but hostility and sadism are two completely different things.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I don't think anything of the sort, in either your hypothetical concerning my beliefs or the downright absurd notion of what you believe to have occurred. I think, more to the point, you were trolling, without being conscious of the fact that you were trolling; that you lost control of the discussion you started in order to garner attention for yourself, and that the thread was something of a failure because, under the veil of moderation, you had to control the input of others. I was disappointed, because it could have been an interesting discussion, but I think you weren't interested in going into the details that I was willing to. You seemed more interested in the facades rather than the substance behind them. When you tried to correct me, for apparently speaking out of turn, I merely pointed out that I was right about you being a bit of a novice in the matter you were trying to discuss and that such a correction was compensation for that inexperience. Again, you're proving yourself a novice. If you thought you were sadistic, I beg to differ. You may have been quarrelsome and irritated because things weren't going your way in a manner which converged on hostility, but hostility and sadism are two completely different things.

This isn't about your beliefs, this about behaviour and actions. Sado-masochism isn't a belief, it is a behaviour. Now about that thread...
You were off topic during the sidebar debate, when I asked you to make a point relevant towards the topic at hand, you could'nt put anything together. I made fun of your pseudo intellectual bullshit that made no sense towards the thread, so in reality you were the one stroking yourself in the thread with nothing of substance to add to it. I had control of the main discussion in my topic, to the point I brushed your self storking bs that came out of left field, and asked you to reply to the topic, you could'nt so you started posting images of things instead.

ps: you are a masochist, you just dont noez it, so you O noez it!

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Originally posted by Kismet7 This isn't about your beliefs, this about behaviour and actions. Sado-masochism isn't a belief, it is a behaviour. Now about that thread... You were off topic during the sidebar debate, when I asked you to make a point relevant towards the topic at hand, you could'nt put anything together. I made fun of your pseudo intellectual bullshit that made no sense towards the thread, so in reality you were the one stroking yourself in the thread with nothing of substance to add to it. I had full control of the discussion in my topic, to the point I brushed your self storking bs that came out of left field, and asked you to reply to the topic, you could'nt so you started posting images of things instead. ps: you are a masochist, you just dont noez it, so you o noez it!

Personally, I'm starting to think you're a masochist who's just confused because he thinks he's a sadist. But that's what masochism is about, anyway - control - only it's less about controlling the outcome, that is invariably painful, and more about triggering anger in the person who they are hoping will dominate them. Please stop attempting to anger/amuse me. I'm not trying to dominate you.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Personally, I'm starting to think you're a masochist who's just confused because he thinks he's a sadist. But that's what masochism is about, anyway - control - only it's less about controlling the outcome, that is invariably painful, and more about triggering anger in the person who they are hoping will dominate them. Please stop attempting to anger/amuse me. I'm not trying to dominate you. Be free, little bird. Mend your broken wings. Fly, again. Be free!

I think it is interesting that you've managed to extract some pride out of the idea of being a sadist. You swallowed that whole. What you don't seem to understand is that, humans in general employ both sadist and masochist behaviour. The fact that you are jumping at the idea that you are a sadist and not a masochist just means you have not introspected enough, or are too insecure to admit you can be a masochist, because of the social connotations that come with it.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I think it is interesting that you've managed to extract some pride out of the idea of being a sadist. You swallowed that whole. What you don't seem to understand is that, humans in general employ both sadist and masochist behaviour. The fact that you are jumping at the idea that you are a sadist and not a masochist just means you have not introspected enough, or are too insecure to admit you can be a masochist, because of the social connotations that come with it.

Huh? Where did I claim to be a sadist or even laud sadism?

I'm curious as to where your beliefs about human beings and sado-masochism come from, too. What experiences and/or literature have you been privy too which supports these beliefs?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Huh? Where did I claim to be a sadist or even laud sadism? I'm curious as to where your beliefs about human beings and sado-masochism come from, too. What experiences and/or literature have you been privy too which supports these beliefs?

As a visionary and innovator of ideas, I create my own beliefs through my own observations, coupled with past knowledge, philosophy, and psychology that I have picked up over the years from various sources. The bedrock of these S&M beliefs come from observing the behaviour on forums. Which is not very hard to observe if one were to look into a group of mostly unihibited individuals in an environment like a forum.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I'm projecting the reality of forums, and perhaps a reality of all humans.

You are ONE fucking person and you sound like an idiot. The only reality you're projecting is your own.

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I filed you under sado-masochist after the last thread.

Nobody cares what you file people under.

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I think humans in general are sado-masochistic, it is just more apparent on forums where humans seem to inflict and receive pain with less inhibition.

I think you in general are retarded, and its more apparent the more you post.

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And perhaps it is done subconciously, for example you think you are not a masochist (teh denial), but I would disagree. I think anyone who engages in a lengthy debate or disucssion about a topic on a forum, that involves some sort of non intellectual rhetoric (attacks), could be considered S&M.

You are one of those people who thinks w/out reason/evidence/or anything in this world that could possibly validate what you say. You are in a way like the leader of a cult or religion.

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For example, the good folks in the Review Forum, they employ sadist behaviour quite often, same with the MD and Chill Out forums. I wonder if there are humans who aren't S&M, and what their attributes are.

They "employ sadist behavoir".

You employ the trademark of someone who tries to sound like they know something, someone who tries really hard, but the second they shut their mouths you ask yourself where they get their crack from..

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Originally posted by Kismet7 As a visionary and innovator of ideas, I create my own beliefs through my own observations, coupled with past knowledge, philosophy, and psychology that I have picked up over the years from various sources. The bedrock of these S&M beliefs come from observing the behaviour on forums. Which is not very hard to observe if one were to look into a group of mostly unihibited individuals in an environment like a forum.

So basically, you're an unqualified lay-person formulating beliefs about others based only on your subjective interpretation in conjunction with unnamed reading material, without any qualified resources to validate said beliefs, which are presumed valid because you have ideas which you believe to be original?


Very interesting.

*Looks down at notepad and writes, furiously, and then appears to be making a frantic circular motion around it*

Well, that's about all the time we have for today. Would you like an appointment card?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker So basically, you're an unqualified lay-person formulating beliefs about others based only on your subjective interpretation in conjunction with unnamed reading material, without any qualified resources to validate said beliefs, which are presumed valid because you have ideas which you believe to be original? Very interesting. *Looks down at notepad and writes, furiously, and then appears to be making a frantic circular motion around it* Well, that's about all the time we have for today. Would you like an appointment card?

So basically you are a slave with no thoughts, beliefs, theories that you have come about yourself. Good job, might as well suck on your thumb too, since you've limited the ideas you can share and topics you can talk about to what you've read in a book.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So basically you are a slave with no thoughts, beliefs, theories that you have come about yourself. Good job, might as well suck on your thumb too, since you've limited the ideas you can share and topics you can talk about to what you've read in a book. Idiot.

That would be convenient for your sake, but untrue, visionary.

For starters, I've come to believe that all conflict is based in fallacy. Your beliefs, for instance, are fallacious and hence the conflict which is occurring.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker That would be convenient for your sake, but untrue, visionary. For starters, I've come to believe that all conflict is based in fallacy. Your beliefs, for instance, are fallacious and hence the conflict which is occurring.

So why is it that YOU engage in conflict?

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