yes because their hr is too busy to actively recruit people to answer phones themselves. Entry level positions are a dime a dozen.

we can sit here and argue semantics, but the fact remains only one of us has achieved results in the way we went at things. I am not trying to be mean, you are just coming off the as the guy who knows how to do something but hasn't actually managed to do it.

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Both of you bring relevant truths to the table, both elfreak & gehzumteufel are correct; both initiative and intelligent use of resources (internet, ads, etc) are necessary to get an interview.

I'd say you should focus on 'competitive advantage' and see yourself as a 'product' or 'item'. Do not dwell excessively on what kind of job you want, you probably won't get it; the best jobs are those which require years of experience in your given field.

Your level of education is vital I think, same goes for your past experiences. My advice to you would be to actually get out there, explore the job market & even travel someplace else if you feel that your current sector is played out...

My teachers always tell me, don't worry about finding a dream job, worry about why you are going to work for any given company. Does the company reflect your values? Will your talent be an advantage for them to use? etc.

good luck

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Originally posted by elFreak To the OP, i am curious, what degree are you geting and what do you honestly expect your first job to be like?

Your probably going to laugh at me, but its a BGS called a Bachelors in General Sciences. No real concentration. The fact is, I went to 3 colleges. I originally studied film at Columbia College (wanted to go into film direction/production), but left because a) too expensive and b) film school is a scam if you ask me (for the most part). So then went to community college to finish the gen eds.

Transferred then to Northern Illinois for journalism. Realizing I hated writing in newsspeak, I didnt know what else to do. But I wanted to be done with college in 4 years (I have to pay for it, I'd rather save money). The only major that really satisfied my time constraint was a Liberal Arts degree in what NIU calls the "the field of General Studies." I don't mean to feed you my life story, but to get the advice I need right now, I feel I should best illustrate where I'm coming from.

People have told me that an undergraduate degree isn't really all that significant, unless you are trying to build your career from the start (like you want to be a doctor, nurse, police officer, etc.). So, this degree made sense because it would get me out of school in a timely fashion.

Now, I want to get my feet wet in the job world and figure out my best skills. I also fully intend to go to grad skill (that's where the degree matters, would you say?), but what to study there is what I'm trying to figure via the jobs I work right now. People say I'm excellent with communication...so maybe sales? Certainly not a desk job, something on the go. Any suggestions? What kind of job would I be best for if I work well with people, can speak well, but don't like to sit in a cubicle?

Again, sorry for the hellishly long post. Nobody gives a shit about these details, but I'm looking for advice from people who have actually experienced the job market first-hand, versus hearing bullshit from advisors at public universities.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit If you are sending a resume somewhere, you are sucking someone's dick,

Yes, being intuitive with one's skills is the best way to go about things. But I believe there IS such a thing as not knowing your own skills, because you haven't put them to work. I did management at a video store for 3 years...which looks good on a resume, and it shows loyalty, and I have intense experience with retail and face-to-face contact with customers. I just hope I can use that to my advantage.


And thanks for the advice Winston, luck is all I got right now.


Loving the feedback.

And gehzumteufel, how did you get your job? I feel that everything is online now, which sucks because you are merely another statistic. How do I get in their faces without looking like a dumbass?

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 And gehzumteufel, how did you get your job? I feel that everything is online now, which sucks because you are merely another statistic. How do I get in their faces without looking like a dumbass?

A headhunter.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

No offense man, but general degrees aren't looked upon very well. Seen a few of my manager friends talk about it. They just see it as an "easy" degree that people have taken advantage of.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

if you want to get into sales, you are most probably going to have to start on a phone whether you like it or not. Almost all of Business to business is done this way these ways , due to it being more efficient and cheaper.

It can be soul numbing work (they are metrics driven usually), trust me i know, the job i just quit was in the sales field, albeit it at the managerial level. The turnover is big in these jobs, but if you can stick it out and not want to blow your brains out, eventually the upper level sales jobs/management are much more diverse and can be rewarding.

A degree is never bad to have, but if you are looking for a specialized career you will probably have no choice but to go back to school.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 face-to-face

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face to face jobs in sales other than car dealerships and low paying retail are only reserved for people higher up in companies (talking big companies here) and are not given to entry level candidates. It does not make sense financially to do this.

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its not true that sites like monster/careerbuilder dont work. i got my current job and also the one before that through such sites, and both were great jobs with great pay. i think it depends on your field of work.

i've also been quite lucky with craigslist as far as jobs go.

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 its not true that sites like monster/careerbuilder dont work. i got my current job and also the one before that through such sites, and both were great jobs with great pay. i think it depends on your field of work. i've also been quite lucky with craigslist as far as jobs go.

I also got my current job through monster.com. I've held this job for about 10 months now and I enjoy working for my company. Though I will say that one of my previous jobs was a shit job also obtained through monster.com... fucking guy from the temp agency really knew how to sucker a recent college graduate lol. But I did manage to make the job sound flashy in my resume.

I agree that it does probably depend on the field of work you're looking for. I'm in the finance field which I think will always have it's fair share of good offers and shit schemes.

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