Counterpoint is teh sex.
Understanding the basic concepts of it can go a long way towards writing sensible and harmonious melodies and chords. I don't have much formal teaching on counterpoint, except some coverage in a music theory and appreciation class. Understanding the concepts and purpose has allowed me to feel my way on my own towards chords and melodies that relate well to eachother. Studying it would be priceless if you want to write any sort of Pop, Hip Hop, or Rock music. For Electronic music, could help greatly towards musicality.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Counterpoint is teh sex. Understanding the basic concepts of it can go a long way towards writing sensible and harmonious melodies and chords. I don't have much formal teaching on counterpoint, except some coverage in a music theory and appreciation class. Understanding the concepts and purpose has allowed me to feel my way on my own towards chords and melodies that relate well to eachother. Studying it would be priceless if you want to write any sort of Pop, Hip Hop, or Rock music. For Electronic music, could help greatly towards musicality.

What's consider "basic counterpoint" and what's "advanced?"


I've been relistening to some of my favorites and the ones I favor most tend to have at least 2 melodies. Depending on the song, one melody might be pushed back in the mix to make room, despite that it still adds depth to the song.

The trance that has a simplistic bassline and a single melody don't interest me as much unless the production of it gives it something special.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Now the million dollar question.

What is counterpoint ?

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Originally posted by Subtle Now the million dollar question. What is counterpoint ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint

Thanks, i could easily have googled that myself
I am however a huge fan of short explanations.

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Originally posted by Subtle Thanks, i could easily have googled that myself I am however a huge fan of short explanations.

In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more voices that are independent in contour and rhythm and are harmonically interdependent.

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Originally posted by Subtle Thanks, i could easily have googled that myself I am however a huge fan of short explanations.

Usually encyclopedia's have a short explanation at the beginning and then go into detail.

All you had to do was read the first short paragraph.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Usually encyclopedia's have a short explanation at the beginning and then go into detail. All you had to do was read the first short paragraph.

Yeah i read it, but i do not understand exactly what it is, and what it means in practice.

To me now its just a fancy word for different melodies that plays together, which seem to occur frequently in music and often by accident, so what am i missing ?

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Originally posted by Subtle To me now its just a fancy word for different melodies that plays together,...

That's pretty much what it is in a nutshell.

To answer the earlier question regarding basic vs advanced, for EDM and most forms of contemporary popular music, the counterpoint is pretty simple and you don't need to know much beyond the basics. Also, many/most pop music these days break the "rules" of good counterpoint all the time - think about songs that employ bar chords/power chords - those have parallel fifths/fourths all over them. If you were to take an advanced course in counterpoint, you'd be studying much more complex melodies and countermelodies, far more diverse arrangements (e.g., fugues, choir arrangements, etc.), broader concepts like variations on themes among the different parts/voices, etc. Not that it's necessarily bad to know that much, but most of it won't help much with EDM because the melodies/countermelodies and song arrangements are much simpler.

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Originally posted by noicuc For example , you cant give a supersaw a piano melody.. It will sound bad

Why ?

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Originally posted by RichieV Why ?

Well for example you cant replace the piano line in Communication Part 3 with a supersaw .. It just doesn't sound right.

Supersaws are meant for arps , for hooks , and defintely not for a piano lines like communication part 3.

And also , try replacing the piano melody in robert miles - children with a supersaw.

The feeling would be gone..

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