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Originally posted by Rasidel Slika Im under the impression that disc-based backup is more reliable and longer-lasting than Flash.. I know Ive had more than a few flash-based gadgets fail - namely flash drives - meanwhile my DVD's are fucking tanks. If I had to choose where to back up 4.5GB of data right now, I'll choose a DVD every time. Flash-based media seems to be a temporary thing, for easier access. And again, it also seems volatile. For archiving, I see disk-based here to stay.

You could be right. Time will tell, I suppose. However, Flash media has come a long way since it's inception, and flash based products still are being improved upon.

Though we're already seeing the switch... Most people don't listen to CD's anymore, it's all on ipods and other MP3 players, which are mostly flash memory based. Even HDD's in computers are going the way of flash memory. Sold-State Disk Drives in the coming years will be quite affordable and will then be the norm.

It's a thing of speed as well. Mechanical moving parts make magnetic/optical disk drives slower than that of an electrical component when it comes to read/write capabilities.

Though, I understand the argument of volatility. There's still the possibility of data loss when talking about CD's or Magnetic Disk drives. Scratch the CD up too much, and you're SOL. Magnetic Disk drives still suffer from head-crashes and other mechanical failures as well.

With Flash based media, It'd be an easy thing to incorporate redundancy to prevent data loss.

Just my 2 cents on this.

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Agree with everything you said. Definitely agree that redundancy along with error-checking / notification would be (and already is) a glorious way to combat failure.

In terms of easy access, I agree the answer is not disc-based. But I think we are talking about 2 roles thereof, access and storage. For storage, which these DVD's would primarily be for, I think they are desirable, relevant, and here to stay. But, you would also be able to view said storage from the media directly, much like you can view DVD movies today.

And, I'm glad they are moving into 12TB, how great will it be to have ~240 full-quality movies on one disc (assuming the current maximum of 50GB per movie). Of course, this is thinking "inside the box". I'm sure this will open the door to many more space-hog type of application / utility.

What about a hard drive? any advances in that?

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd What about a hard drive? any advances in that?

reliability has definitely gone up over the years with new technology - as for the future, I think SSD's will take over.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd What about a hard drive? any advances in that?

Nope.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd What about a hard drive? any advances in that?

Though viral marketing from Samsung, I thought this video was relevant to the conversation (and in particular your question).

EDIT: Note that 24 of the SSD's used in this video would cost someone at retail about $20,000+ USD. So, obviously not a cost effective solution, yet. In a couple years though, this could be quite affordable.

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Originally posted by Rasidel Slika Agree with everything you said. Definitely agree that redundancy along with error-checking / notification would be (and already is) a glorious way to combat failure. In terms of easy access, I agree the answer is not disc-based. But I think we are talking about 2 roles thereof, access and storage. For storage, which these DVD's would primarily be for, I think they are desirable, relevant, and here to stay. But, you would also be able to view said storage from the media directly, much like you can view DVD movies today. And, I'm glad they are moving into 12TB, how great will it be to have ~240 full-quality movies on one disc (assuming the current maximum of 50GB per movie). Of course, this is thinking "inside the box". I'm sure this will open the door to many more space-hog type of application / utility.

Agreed. There's definitely enough room in the world for both formats to coexist.

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cool vid, I could get used to that kind of firepower

Honestly, I think a 10TB DVD-like disk is overkill, unless you want to store your entire collection of 1080p movies.

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Originally posted by noikeee Honestly, I think a 10TB DVD-like disk is overkill, unless you want to store your entire collection of 1080p movies.

well sure, but eventually movies are gonna be like 10000p

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Originally posted by noikeee Honestly, I think a 10TB DVD-like disk is overkill, unless you want to store your entire collection of 1080p movies.

having flashbacks to when people wondered what on earth you would save on a 4.5GB dvd...