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Stephen Wiley
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Originally posted by Eric J
What routing? You plug your monitors into the main outs and hit play. There is no routing involved.



This is probably not going to be your best option for a high or even mid-level quality audio interface.



Are you referring to the Waldorf Largo software instrument?



OK, you missed my point there, but anyway...

You need to be looking at interfaces that have breakout boxes if you want even DECENT DAC. Period. The only interfaces that I have seen that are of decent quality that do NOT have breakout boxes are the RME Hammerfall interfaces, which cost more than $300, and are all PCI cards (which wont work in a laptop).

That being said, there are not going to be really any interfaces in the $300 price range that are going to provide you with "screaming good DAC's". At the $300 level, you are looking at cheap OP amps and barely "prosumer" level DAC. If you want "screaming good DAC's" you need to be looking at spending well into 4 figures. You probably dont need this, so this is why I suggested MOTU, because their interfaces are reasonably priced and have fairly good DAC for the money, regardless of the number of in/out. "screaming good DAC's" come at the level of a Lynx Audio Aurora or an Apogee DA16, both of which are upwards of $4,000.

If you budget is $300, and you are looking for a decent audio interface for a laptop, you need to be looking at Firewire Audio Interfaces. The ESI JULIA that came with your desktop is not going to provide you with any kind of quality, no matter what the manufacturer tells you. Its consumer level.

Here is a link to zzounds list of firewire interfaces. You can expect to find similar prices at any local music shop. You can also look into USB audio interface, but I find those to be of substandard quality for the most part.

http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?q...ter&form=search


Sorry for the confusing messages. You'll have to overlook those (Darn sleeping meds lol)

As I have said before (and you've responded, but I just want to make sure we're clear) my ONLY interest is the sound quality. DACS, processors, whatever the fancy names are. I don't care if it has 2 I/O or 10.

I looked at the list you posted, and most were floating around 399. Looks like I may have to spend a little more.

Could you tell me the best card available for under $400 with regards to sound quality. Completely ignore the I/O stuff if you don't mind. I think we've established at this point that I don't give a hoot about it.

Also, you mentioned you didn't like the USB cards as much. I was wondering if you could elaborate why. My only concern when it comes to buying this soundcard is how well it's going to perform when I'm rendering in Ableton or tweaking sounds on TrackS, etc. I couple of milisecond delays is not going to get my pantys in a wad. I want the best sound quality I can get for that price range, period.

Thank you for your help!


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Eric J
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Here is a comparison of USB 2.0 vs Firewire that explains it much better than I can:

http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm

Basically its all about the architecture. High throughput is what you want in an audio interface.

As for good cards, I would recommend MOTU as the absolute minimum as far as quality is concerned. Their ADC/DAC is not high end by any means, but they have very good quality for the prices that they charge. I use a MOTU interface myself and it does a fine job. the next level of quality is an order of magnitude more expensive.

For me, the quality chain goes like this, from absolute minimum, to high end

MOTU, MOTU w/ BLA mods, RME, Metric Halo, Apogee, Lynx, Prism, and so on...

SO to answer you question about good quality cards for $399, my answer is this:

Wait. Do yourself a favor and don't settle for something of lesser quality just because you can get it now instead of in a few weeks or months. It'll be worth the wait. Surely it wont take much longer to save up another couple of hundred bucks.

Based on that advice, the cheapest MOTU sound card is the MOTU Ultralite at $549. While it has more inputs and outputs than you need, it uses the same quality components that other, more expensive MOTU products use. This means that it is your cheapest option to get into a ADC/DAC converter at this level, despite the fact that you may not need all of the features. If quality is your primary concern, then you need to be getting in at this level.

Trust me, If there was any kind of interface with only 2in/2out that was at this level of quality, I would recommend it. For PC, the MOTU interface is the cheapest option at this quality level. Thats all that is available for Windows that meets your criteria. I have already mentioned that the Apogee Duet is great (better than the MOTU), but it is Mac only.

Understand that a lot of interfaces out there contain features that not everybody needs, but the level of quality necessitates spending a little more money.

I'll give you my example: I have a MOTU 24 in/out. I dont need all that in/out, but at the time, this was my cheapest option to get an interface of that quality level. Now I have a quality interface that will suffice until I decide to go the next level up, which is RME or higher. There is a significant price jump at the next level of quality, but for the time being the DAC of the MOTU interface is sufficient.

Also, do not forget that you can have a good quality interface, but if you have crappy monitors, then it wont make much of a difference. Make sure you are not buying a good interface and hooking it up to a pair of $200 crap monitors, or you wont get the same value out of it. If you need to upgrade your monitors as well, wait and get both at the same time.

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Re: Re: Customized PC laptop for production?

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64 bit OS is pretty much out of the question for Windows at this moment, because a lot of the good hardware manufacturers out there do not provide 64 bit drivers quite yet on the Windows side.

I've had no issues using Vista x64. The only company that refuses to get its act together and write proper Vista drivers is TC (i.e. PowerCore); they've had 5 years to do it, and for that reason I'll never buy another PC component from them again.

But you definitely do not need 6 GB of RAM for production, unless you plan to use some of the enormous sample libraries.


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Eric J
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Re: Re: Re: Customized PC laptop for production?

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I've had no issues using Vista x64. The only company that refuses to get its act together and write proper Vista drivers is TC (i.e. PowerCore); they've had 5 years to do it, and for that reason I'll never buy another PC component from them again.

But you definitely do not need 6 GB of RAM for production, unless you plan to use some of the enormous sample libraries.


Thats great! I'm glad to see companies getting their act together finally. I dont keep up with PC driver development too much since I'm on Mac.

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Stephen Wiley
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Thanks for your reply. I have the YamahaHS80 along with a pair of AKG 701' so i think im ok for now


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