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Originally posted by TwoHardCore Nice set here ziptnf! I agree with Domesticated in that some of the transitions seem a bit quiet, though some are fantastic. Loved the mix into Rumble in the Jumgle, good stuff!!

That was actually one of the ones I was a tad iffy about, the cymbal crash was just a few milliseconds off from being perfectly in time, but I'm glad you liked it, that's a great track.

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I'm also glad to see that there are now several DJ's here who are mixing the GOA/PSY style progressive tracks. I've grabbed several really good mixes in/of this genre this year, and by several people posting in this thread. Yours is a mix included in this lot of really good mixes.

Thanks, dude! Actually, I don't see near as many people who mix complete psytrance sets, just DJ's who mix trance and throw in a bit of psy. I'd like to see more people get into the prog stuff, even more full-on ones!

I had some okay prog stuff in my February set, but that's not linked in my sig. I don't even consider it a good one, because most of my transitions had distortion. Glad you liked this one, I haven't checked out your set, I must have missed it. Getting it now... hope you check out some of my future releases!

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very awesome prog psy mix this is ziptnf

Ace Ventura vs Lish - The Light (Zen Mechanics Remix) = One hell of a track. The breakdown in this tune is really hypnotic

ill be replaying this on my ipod in the future

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Originally posted by Altered-Mind very awesome prog psy mix this is ziptnf Ace Ventura vs Lish - The Light (Zen Mechanics Remix) = One hell of a track. The breakdown in this tune is really hypnotic ill be replaying this on my ipod in the future

Awesome, glad you liked it!

I will be listening to your new set as soon as I get a chance. Thanks for the listen!

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Originally posted by ziptnf I noticed this for a few tracks, in particular, Time Traveller -> Sweet September was the quietest, but a lot of times, fading out from the outgoing track to the incoming track didn't seem very noticeable, but when I started moving over to the next track and increasing the gains, it slightly overpowered the outgoing track. For proggy stuff, I should probably consider a new style of mixing, or increase the gains slightly when beginning my fade.

That makes it sound like you're adjusting your gains and faders while in the mix, correct?

If that's the case, that's a bit strange. I wouldn't say it's 'wrong' per se, because everyone mixes differently, but the gains are really for adjusting the relative levels of the tracks PRIOR to mixing/transition, while the faders are used to actually complete the transition.
Are you using both during the mix/transition?

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Originally posted by Domesticated That makes it sound like you're adjusting your gains and faders while in the mix, correct? If that's the case, that's a bit strange. I wouldn't say it's 'wrong' per se, because everyone mixes differently, but the gains are really for adjusting the relative levels of the tracks PRIOR to mixing/transition, while the faders are used to actually complete the transition. Are you using both during the mix/transition?

Yes, my general process is to keep the gains low while crossfading to the center to reduce distortion and loud beatmatching and increase the gains while fading out of the previous track. Each track is different in this respect; I feel like that keeps the levels relatively balanced, but at the same time, different tracks need different gain levels and I adjust accordingly. It seems like I may have kept some of the gains in incoming tracks a tad too low, therefore giving quieter transitions. I hope that's not a bad practice, I was really trying to make the mixes less noticeable, sorry if it didn't work

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Originally posted by ziptnf Yes, my general process is to keep the gains low while crossfading to the center to reduce distortion and loud beatmatching and increase the gains while fading out of the previous track. Each track is different in this respect; I feel like that keeps the levels relatively balanced, but at the same time, different tracks need different gain levels and I adjust accordingly. It seems like I may have kept some of the gains in incoming tracks a tad too low, therefore giving quieter transitions. I hope that's not a bad practice, I was really trying to make the mixes less noticeable, sorry if it didn't work

I mix with the gains and volume faders only, cross-fader is always dead centre for me.

Standard transition would be to have the next track's volume fader on 0, and once cued and happy with the beatmatching, I drop the gain of that track to 0, bass to 9 o'clock, then whack the volume fader up to full at the start of a bar. I'll then gradually raise the gain to bring in the new track (mids and highs only) and than invert the bass gains for the bassline crossover.

I've listened to half the mix so far (out n about yesterday) and the choons are great. Mixing is good, only really noticed one slipping from Ground Control to Lone Ranger, minor key clash too I think.

Will listen to the rest today

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Great mix !!!! Really loved the tracklist; some awesome tracks I already knew (e.g. Sweet September, The Light) in combination with some goodies I didn't know (e.g. Rumble in the Jungle) or re-descovered (Heartbeat)

I'm not a DJ but I also thought the mixing was pretty good. The only really noticable transition was from "FREq - Time Traveller" into "Sweet September" from Vibrasphere. Good job! ... I'm waiting for more

Okay, some terminology clarification, because krooton seems to call things different names.

The 'gain' is the rotary knob which controls the overall volume of a track, across all frequency bands.

The 'equalisers' are the three (or sometimes four) rotary knobs which control highs, mids and bass.

The 'fader' is the vertical control on each channel that also affects overall volume.

If you're mixing without touching the crossfader (i.e having it right in the centre), your process should be as follows:

1. Open the incoming track in your headphones. Fast fast forward to a place where the music is relatively intense and most of the main elements are present, especially bass. Watch your mixer's meter at this stage, the lights should be peaking at 0db (just below red/yellow) on most mixers. If it's not doing this, twiddle your gain knob until the heaviest beats are at the correct level.

2. Cue the track back to the start, or where ever you want to mix in from.

3. After hitting 'play' on the incoming track, you can then work the faders and/or equalisers as you see fit in order to mix the two tunes.

The gain knob is used only to make sure the two tracks being played are at the same relative volume before you start mixing them together. They should not be touched during transitions. That's what faders are for.

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Originally posted by Domesticated The gain knob is used only to make sure the two tracks being played are at the same relative volume before you start mixing them together. They should not be touched during transitions. That's what faders are for.

Says who?

People can mix any way they want. I've been mixing in that general method for the past 5 years, serves me fine. I get what you are saying, but there is no single way to mix that everyone must adhere to.

I prefer to user the gain to bring the track in as I have more control over how gradually this can be done with the rotary knob rather than a fader.

I could drop all the EQs to 0, leave the gain where it needs to be, then bring the EQs in individually, but I prefer to have the mid and highs at the same-ish level, so bringing them in with 1 knob is simpler than using 2. End result is the same either way.

EDIT: I also master my mp3s, so they are all pretty much the same level volume-wise, so gains at 12 o'clock are generally the same across anything I play.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n I mix with the gains and volume faders only, cross-fader is always dead centre for me. Standard transition would be to have the next track's volume fader on 0, and once cued and happy with the beatmatching, I drop the gain of that track to 0, bass to 9 o'clock, then whack the volume fader up to full at the start of a bar. I'll then gradually raise the gain to bring in the new track (mids and highs only) and than invert the bass gains for the bassline crossover. I've listened to half the mix so far (out n about yesterday) and the choons are great. Mixing is good, only really noticed one slipping from Ground Control to Lone Ranger, minor key clash too I think. Will listen to the rest today

Sorry about the late response, I was at Bonnaroo all weekend.

Cool, I'm glad you thought the mix was okay. I sorta see what you're saying in regards to mixing, and it seems relatively similar to mine, except I use the crossfader and you use the volume controls, which is pretty much the exact same thing during a transition anyways

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Great mix !!!! Really loved the tracklist; some awesome tracks I already knew (e.g. Sweet September, The Light) in combination with some goodies I didn't know (e.g. Rumble in the Jungle) or re-descovered (Heartbeat) I'm not a DJ but I also thought the mixing was pretty good. The only really noticable transition was from "FREq - Time Traveller" into "Sweet September" from Vibrasphere. Good job! ... I'm waiting for more

Hey, thanks, I'm glad you liked the tracks. That was the transition I noticed most also, it was a pretty solid slipup on my part Hope you check out my future mixes!

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The gain knob is used only to make sure the two tracks being played are at the same relative volume before you start mixing them together. They should not be touched during transitions. That's what faders are for.

Not always, I don't see why it's forbidden to touch the gains after you've started the track, I thought the whole purpose of the gain knob was to control the volume level of the track without majorly decreasing the actual volume of it. The gains are useful for making sure that volume changes during the transitions aren't too noticeable. I'm not trying to dispute you or anything, I just don't see it as necessarily wrong to use the gains during a transition or during an actual track.

Kr00t0n, thanks for the listen, I hope you enjoyed the rest of the mix if you listened.

Sushi, J, and Mag, have you listened yet? I would like to hear what you think!

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