that article was sad..

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Posted by Omega_Blue that's it, fuck it i'm quitting ta forever. fuck if i'm gonna get trolled by fucking yukii. dammit!

Jerusalem Post? Hmm, yeah they'll definitely NOT post anything that undermines Iran.

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Originally posted by Lemonad Jerusalem Post? Hmm, yeah they'll definitely NOT post anything that undermines Iran.

i didnt say it was true. and obviously nobody is gonna swallow what the post says as gospel. just throwing it out there.

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The cancer that is Islam has lasted for 30 years in Iran. It has brought us back to the stone age... I still dont undersstand what is so appealing about this death cult arab religion from the deserts of Saudi Arabia.

Iranians are Persian first. Most of them are secular and to be honest... the majority of them hate Islam becuase it is inherently an Arab way of life... and as many of you know, Persians really dont want to look or be seen as arabs. They have an older and more civilized culture and history, despite the Islamic conquest into Persia 1400 Years ago.

I hope to see the day that these mullahs are executed infront of the world by the people of Persia

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The cancer that is Islam has lasted for 30 years in Iran. It has brought us back to the stone age... I still dont undersstand what is so appealing about this death cult arab religion from the deserts of Saudi Arabia. Iranians are Persian first. Most of them are secular and to be honest... the majority of them hate Islam becuase it is inherently an Arab way of life... and as many of you know, Persians really dont want to look or be seen as arabs. They have an older and more civilized culture and history, despite the Islamic conquest into Persia 1400 Years ago. I hope to see the day that these mullahs are executed infront of the world by the people of Persia

No matter how much you want to distance yourself from "Islam," Persians that is, doesn't mean you won't face ignorance and prejudice in the West. Islam is a religion, not an "Arab way of life." Being part Arab (Saudi and Iraqi) and part Persian, and an American living in the US, I don't really see anything inherently 'Arab' about (other than the fact that it's language of revelation and original [and only authoritative text] is Arabic, which the mullahs you detest are often not familiar with and in severe contradiction with 90% of the time).

Other than Iraq, Iran is the only Shia'a strong hold and Shia'as in my experience tend to be more educated and informed about their religion than Sunnis. Yeah, a lot of Iranians are very [edit] secular [/edit], and I've hardly met any 'western' Iranians who're not, but this 'cancer' you refer to is organized religion... I don't see why that distinction is so hard for you (and others) to make. And organized religion in that part of the hemisphere in the form and fasion it's existed for the last century is a colonial Western import, not an Arab one.

EDIT: And yes, I'm aware of the passive aggressive tension between Arabs and Persians, it's pretty amusing .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No matter how much you want to distance yourself from "Islam," Persians that is, doesn't mean you won't face ignorance and prejudice in the West. Islam is a religion, not an "Arab way of life." Being part Arab (Saudi and Iraqi) and part Persian, and an American living in the US, I don't really see anything inherently 'Arab' about (other than the fact that it's language of revelation and original [and only authoritative text] is Arabic, which the mullahs you detest are often not familiar with and in severe contradiction with 90% of the time). Other than Iraq, Iran is the only Shia'a strong hold and Shia'as in my experience tend to be more educated and informed about their religion than Sunnis. Yeah, a lot of Iranians are very [edit] secular [/edit], and I've hardly met any 'western' Iranians who're not, but this 'cancer' you refer to is organized religion... I don't see why that distinction is so hard for you (and others) to make. And organized religion in that part of the hemisphere in the form and fasion it's existed for the last century is a colonial Western import, not an Arab one. EDIT: And yes, I'm aware of the passive aggressive tension between Arabs and Persians, it's pretty amusing .

Islam is inherently a culturally gulf arab ideology. Its attire, their views on women, their myths and their assumptions are all arabic.

This religion has ravaged Persia. It was ARABS that invaded Persia... and with that, forced their new "religion" onto their conquerers. This religion was HEAVILY influenced by the culture where its creators came from. You cannot say it has NO culturally gulf arab influences.

An example of its cancerous effect is the creation of wine. Before Islam, Wine was invented in Shiraz, consumed and loved. It was so profound in the culture that paintings depticing its consumtion and poems were constantly written about it.

When Islam came, they removed this from the Persian culture. Those filthy pieces of shit. THey said it was "haram"

Shiraz, the place where the best grapes in the world grew, was ravaged. Wine then made its way to Europe where the french and Romans took advantage of it.

This is one example.

Wherever Islam goes,,, everything turns to shit

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Islam is inherently a culturally gulf arab ideology. Its attire, their views on women, their myths and their assumptions are all arabic. This religion has ravaged Persia. It was ARABS that invaded Persia... and with that, forced their new "religion" onto their conquerers. This religion was HEAVILY influenced by the culture where its creators came from. You cannot say it has NO culturally gulf arab influences. An example of its cancerous effect is the creation of wine. Before Islam, Wine was invented in Shiraz, consumed and loved. It was so profound in the culture that paintings depticing its consumtion and poems were constantly written about it. When Islam came, they removed this from the Persian culture. Those filthy pieces of shit. THey said it was "haram" Shiraz, the place where the best grapes in the world grew, was ravaged. Wine then made its way to Europe where the french and Romans took advantage of it. This is one example.

I'm aware of your dislike for religion in general and your pride in being Persian and fondness for Persian culture, and obviously, you're very resentful of "Islam" and it's influence of Irani culture. But...

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Wherever Islam goes,,, everything turns to shit

...do you honestly believe such a ridiculous statement or you really that unaware of advances Muslim scholars made to the arts and sciences (pretty significant and foundational groundwork mind you) and how much knowledge of the past (like several Greek texts for example) has been preserved solely because of them when the church wanted nothing better than to burn all that knowledge away? Not to mention their influence on the Renaissance etc, and amalgamating various knowledge and art from various culutres (from India to Spain). Come on now. Clearly it's not as "backward" as you'd like to think, Islam or Arab culture. Not historically anyways, quite the opposite.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm aware of your dislike for religion in general and your pride in being Persian and fondness for Persian culture, and obviously, you're very resentful of "Islam" and it's influence of Irani culture. But... ...do you honestly believe such a ridiculous statement or you really that unaware of advances Muslim scholars made to the arts and sciences (pretty significant and foundational groundwork mind you) and how much knowledge of the past (like several Greek texts for example) has been preserved solely because of them when the church wanted nothing better than to burn all that knowledge away? Not to mention their influence on the Renaissance etc, and amalgamating various knowledge and art from various culutres (from India to Spain). Come on now. Clearly it's not as "backward" as you'd like to think, Islam or Arab culture. Not historically anyways, quite the opposite.

Thats after the fact they invaded.

Persia was doing very well and was very expressive in the arts and poetry and advances in sciences and other things before Islam came. Im sure they would have exceeded way past their islamic achievements if they were not conquered. This is just my opinion.

Islam is the worst thing that happened to Persia. They have tried to remove our cultural norms like our Nowrooz tradition (even making some persians include the quran in the table that celebrates the beginning of spring), change our language, make us wear arab attire.. but in the end, it still hasnt worked.

If you look at every single muslim nation, neighborhood within cities throughout the world, communitities.. they are all poor and feverently religius.

Its not a coincidence that all muslim nations are ass backwards.

Although i detest organized religion as a whole, Christians and Jews have evolved to look at their religion as a faith and not a way of life. Most muslims see islam as a way of life and not a faith... and thats where the problem is. At least Turkey is the first to exemplify this.. and look how good theyre doing.

Theres a reason why most persians really hate arabs... it started from the days of Islam's invasion.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Thats after the fact they invaded. Persia was doing very well and was very expressive in the arts and poetry and advances in sciences and other things before Islam came. Im sure they would have exceeded way past their islamic achievements if they were not conquered. This is just my opinion. Islam is the worst thing that happened to Persia. They have tried to remove our cultural norms like our Nowrooz tradition (even making some persians include the quran in the table that celebrates the beginning of spring), change our language, make us wear arab attire.. but in the end, it still hasnt worked. If you look at every single muslim nation, neighborhood within cities throughout the world, communitities.. they are all poor and feverently religius. Its not a coincidence that all muslim nations are ass backwards. Although i detest organized religion as a whole, Christians and Jews have evolved to look at their religion as a faith and not a way of life. Most muslims see islam as a way of life and not a faith... and thats where the problem is. At least Turkey is the first to exemplify this.. and look how good theyre doing. Theres a reason why most persians really hate arabs... it started from the days of Islam's invasion.

I still don't understand how you can think "Islam" itself (as opposed to organized of today) is ass backwards. You're Persian and by virtue of that I'm guessing familiar enough with Persian and Islamic history in general. So, the civilizations and Islamic society that gave us institutions such as public hospital, psychiatric hospital and public libraries, fields and branches of knowledge like astronomy, algebra and optics just to name a few, is somehow 'ass backwards'? I'm pretty sure you're aware that it was a Muslim scholar who pioneered the scientific method in the first place, Ibn al-Haytham, since he's Persian as I believe. Modern sewage drainage and canals are another ass backward innovation of Muslims societies that placed importance and emphasis on hygiene and cleanliness of living conditions.

Europe would still be in the dark ages and you would associate and of the progress made post renaissance with anything western at all and certainly wouldn't think much of their culture if it weren't for everything they borrowed from Muslim scholars, artists and poets in Spain and Sicily and "Islam" in general.

Another thing, women had no rights predating Islam, which gave them property rights, inheritance rights, the right to work, the right to education and the right to choose their spouse... something the West only realized in the last century. More ass backwards Islamic tradition eh?

So, not acting like a drunken idiot with your friends on weekends, cheating on your wife, treating women like pieces of meat etc. are somehow ass backwards virtues too?

Why don't you just admit you hate organized religion instead of bashing something else ignorantly, or resentfully out of pure misguided hatred? I find Arabs and their condescending racist rants against other cultures (including other non-Arab Muslims) equally annoying and unwarranted. I don't find similar misguided criticism from Persians to be very different either. You're proud of your Persian heritage, but you can't just leave it at that?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I still don't understand how you can think "Islam" itself (as opposed to organized of today) is ass backwards. You're Persian and by virtue of that I'm guessing familiar enough with Persian and Islamic history in general. So, the civilizations and Islamic society that gave us institutions such as public hospital, psychiatric hospital and public libraries, fields and branches of knowledge like astronomy, algebra and optics just to name a few, is somehow 'ass backwards'? I'm pretty sure you're aware that it was a Muslim scholar who pioneered the scientific method in the first place, Ibn al-Haytham, since he's Persian as I believe. Modern sewage drainage and canals are another ass backward innovation of Muslims societies that placed importance and emphasis on hygiene and cleanliness of living conditions. Europe would still be in the dark ages and you would associate and of the progress made post renaissance with anything western at all and certainly wouldn't think much of their culture if it weren't for everything they borrowed from Muslim scholars, artists and poets in Spain and Sicily and "Islam" in general. Another thing, women had no rights predating Islam, which gave them property rights, inheritance rights, the right to work, the right to education and the right to choose their spouse... something the West only realized in the last century. More ass backwards Islamic tradition eh? So, not acting like a drunken idiot with your friends on weekends, cheating on your wife, treating women like pieces of meat etc. are somehow ass backwards virtues too? Why don't you just admit you hate organized religion instead of bashing something else ignorantly, or resentfully out of pure misguided hatred? I find Arabs and their condescending racist rants against other cultures (including other non-Arab Muslims) equally annoying and unwarranted. I don't find similar misguided criticism from Persians to be very different either. You're proud of your Persian heritage, but you can't just leave it at that?

we can sit here for ages listing the achievements of religious civilizations. However, this wont change my opinion about the inhereently bakcwards nature of its ideology on people.

It wasnt ISLAM that made those achievements,.. the scripts in islam didnt encourage or teach someone to go discover alcohol or create alegbra,

also, its funny how most of these achievements were made within the persian comunity during history.

Islam, like many religions, creates boundaries. Islam specifcally created boundaries with respect to expression. It is the main reason why paintings depicting beautiful women or landscapes or wine and food were REMOVED from the persian culture and replaced with SHITTY abstract islamic art. Its such a crock of shit.

These muslims have an ass backwards mentality when they invaded Persia.

HERE ARE THE HISTORICAL LETTERS THAT BEGAN THE DOWNFALL OF PERSIA FROM THE DEATH CULT MUSLIM HORDES

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The Historical Letters From: Omar Ibn Al Khatab Khalifat Al Muslemin To: Yazdgird III Shahanshah of Persian Empire Yazdgird, I see not a fruitful future for you & your nation unless you accept my offer & commit Bei'at (Joining with Khalifat & bringing Islam). Once upon a time your land ruled half the known world but what has it come down to now? Your troops are defeated in all fronts & your nation is bound to collapse. I offer you a way to rescue yourself. Start praying to a mono God, a single union God, the only God who created everything in the universe. We bring you & the world his message, he who is the true God. Stop your Fire Worship, command your nation to stop their Fire Worship which is false; join us by joining the truth. Worship Allah O Akbar the only true God, The creator of universe. Worship to Allah & accept Islam as your salvation. End your Pagan ways & your false worships now & bring Islam so you can accept Allah O Akbar as your savior. By doing so, you will find the only way to your survival & peace for Persians. If you know what is best for Ajam (Arabic term for Persians meaning Retarded & Weird), you will choose this path. Bei'at is the only way. Allah O Akbar sign, Khalifat Al Muslemin Omar Ibn Al Khatab * * * * * * And here is Yazdgird III, famous respond to Omar: From: Shah of Shahs, Shah of Persia and Beyond, Shah of many Kingdoms, Shah of Aryans and Non Aryans, Shah of Persians and many other races as well as Arabs, Shahanshah of Persian Empire, Yazdgird III Sassanid To: Omar Ibn Al Khatab, Khalifat of Tazi (Persian term for Arabs, In the name of Ahura Mazda, creator of Life & Intelligence, You in your letter wrote that you want to direct us towards your God, Allah O Akbar, without having the true knowledge of who we are & what do we worship! It is amazing that you occupy the position of Khalifat (Ruler) of Arabs, yet your knowledge is the same as a lowly Arab rambler, roaming in deserts of Arabia, & same as a desert tribal man! "Little Man" ( mardak) you offer me to worship a united & single God without knowing that it has been thousands of years that Persians worship the mono God & they pray to him Five Times a day! In this land of culture & art this has been the normal path of life for years. When we established the tradition of hospitality & good deeds in the world & we waved the flag of "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds" in our hands, you & your ancestors were roaming the deserts, eating Lizards for you had nothing else to feed yourselves & burying your innocent daughters alive (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)! Tazi people have no value for God's creatures! You behead God's children, even the POWs (Prisoners of War), Rape Women, bury your daughters alive, attack the Caravans, mass murder, kidnap people's wives & steal their property! Your hearts are made of stone, we condemn all these Evil which you do. How can you teach us Godly Ways when you commit these action? You tell me to stop my Fire Worship! Us, Persians see the Love of Creator & power of inventor in the light of Sun & warmth of Fire. Lights & Warmth of the Sun & Fire makes us see the light of truth & warmens our hearts to the creator & to one another. It helps us to be kind to one another, it enlightens us & makes us to keep Mazda's Flame, alive in our hearts. Our lord is Ahura Mazda & it is strange that you people also, just discovered him & named him Allah O Akbar! But we are not the same as you, we are not in the same level as you. We help other human being, we spread love among humanity, we spread Good throughout the Earth, we have been spreading our culture but in respect for other cultures throughout the whole world for thousands of years, yet you in the name of Allah invade other men's land! You mass murder the people, create famine, fear & poverty for others, you create Evil in the name of Allah. who is responsible for all this catastrophe? Is it Allah who commands you to murder, pillage & to destroy? Is it you the followers of Allah who do this in his name? Or Is it both? You have risen from heat of the deserts & burnt out infertile lands with no resources, you want to teach people the love of God by your military campaigns & the power of your Swords! You are Desert Savages, yet you want to teach Urban people like us who lived in the cities for thousands of years, the love of God! We have thousands of years of culture behind us, a powerful tool indeed! Tell us? With all your military campaigns, barbarianism, murder & pillage in the name of Allah O Akbar, what have you taught to this Muslim Army? What knowledge have you taught the Muslim that you also insist on teaching it to non Muslim? What culture have you learned from your Allah, now that you want to force-teach it to others? Alas, Oh Alas...... that today our Persian Armies of Ahura have been defeated from your recently Allah Worshiping Armies; Now, our people have to worship the same God, the same Five times a day, but forced by the sword to call him Allah & pray to him in Arabic, cause your Allah only understands Arabic! I suggest, you & your gang of bandits pack up & move back to your deserts where they are used to live. Take them back where they used to the burning heat of the sun, tribal life, eating Lizards & drinking Camel Milk. I forbid you to let your band of thieves loose in our fertile lands, civilized cities & our glorious nation. Don't turn these "beasts with hearts of stone" loose, to mass murder our people, kidnap our women & children, rape our wives & send our daughters to Mecca as slaves! Don't let them do these crimes in the name of Allah O Akbar, put a stop to your criminal behavior. Aryans are forgiving, warm, hospitable, & decent people and everywhere they went, they have spread seeds of friendship, love, knowledge & truth; therefore, they shall not punish you & your people for your pirate ways & criminal acts. I beg you to remain with your Allah O Akbar in your deserts & do not move close to our civilized cities, for your believes are "Much Fearful" & your behavior is "Most Barbaric"! sign, Yazdgird III Sassanid * * * * *

Regardless, this religion has ravaged what COULD HAVE BEEN

WINE, ART, SCULPTURE, PHILOSOHY, the list goes on

When I went to Turkey, I visited Saint Sophia, a huge Church turned into a mosque after islam came in. What i saw were HUGE pictures of Angels that were covered up by UGLY muslim art becuase it was a sin to recreate gods creations in paintings or other expressions.

What a stupid idiotic way of thinking. These people are Animals. They come from the desert as my ancestor king states in that letter. They have brought nothing but archaic ideology and traditions that still have a hard time completly fitting into our society.

In 1979 Islam once again Invaded Persia. We are in the dark ages once again. But we will overcome this arab death cult and will destroy these people who are trying once again to convert us into arab-muslims.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King we can sit here for ages listing the achievements of religious civilizations. However, this wont change my opinion about the inhereently bakcwards nature of its ideology on people. It wasnt ISLAM that made those achievements,.. the scripts in islam didnt encourage or teach someone to go discover alcohol or create alegbra, also, its funny how most of these achievements were made within the persian comunity during history. Islam, like many religions, creates boundaries. Islam specifcally created boundaries with respect to expression. It is the main reason why paintings depicting beautiful women or landscapes or wine and food were REMOVED from the persian culture and replaced with SHITTY abstract islamic art. Its such a crock of shit. These muslims have an ass backwards mentality when they invaded Persia. HERE ARE THE HISTORICAL LETTERS THAT BEGAN THE DOWNFALL OF PERSIA FROM THE DEATH CULT MUSLIM HORDES Regardless, this religion has ravaged what COULD HAVE BEEN WINE, ART, SCULPTURE, PHILOSOHY, the list goes on When I went to Turkey, I visited Saint Sophia, a huge Church turned into a mosque after islam came in. What i saw were HUGE pictures of Angels that were covered up by UGLY muslim art becuase it was a sin to recreate gods creations in paintings or other expressions. What a stupid idiotic way of thinking. These people are Animals. They come from the desert as my ancestor king states in that letter. They have brought nothing but archaic ideology and traditions that still have a hard time completly fitting into our society. In 1979 Islam once again Invaded Persia. We are in the dark ages once again. But we will overcome this arab death cult and will destroy these people who are trying once again to convert us into arab-muslims.

Cyrus, I wouldn't thought I'd ever agree with you but over time, I think I figured out where you coming from all this time (and that's a good thing)

And you're right, this unbending, archaic form of Islam has no place in this modern world IMHO...

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