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Originally posted by cybernetica Thanks for that tool, I'm sure I'll use this one a lot... and some very useful knowledge mate! If you want to tame the stereo spread of your bass range, I know another (free) tool that works very well for me: OtiumFX Basslane

Lol, I meant that plugin, I always use it on my kicks! I don't use that Sanford plugin a lot

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I honestly thought this day would never actually come. Brace yourselves. I'm, gonna build a bunker for this fallout....

Am I the only one who's totally confused?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Am I the only one who's totally confused?

Nope ...

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slacker tunes are heavy in this technique.

Jark Prongo - Movin Thru Your System (Slacker Software System mix)


think this influenced scot mac's funk hole.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Am I the only one who's totally confused?

If you'd been a round a while ago, then you'd know Just trust us, the posts were legendary. Where's Kyle?

There's actually some good stuff in this thread though.

Andi Vax mixing secrets video gives a good explanation of the mono checking tip and a lot of the basic panning theory is well explained in the recent DJ shadow "V" theory mixing method. Even though there are a good few clubs that aren't in mono, you have to realise how club systems are setup: individual drivers (and therefore crossovers) for each frequency group, so unless they have LFE's in a stereo setup (i.e. balanced on both side of the club (which is really unlikely and I only know of two clubs that have done it) then the bass reproduction IS mono, even if the rest of the system technically isn't.

Decades - Rabbit in the moon - one of the tracks (I forget which) has the bass panned wide (either side) and the rest of the mix is adpated and balanced to reflect this. It sounds great on a home system or headphonesbut doesn't sound so great on certain PA's. But then again this was for a CD, not promos for club dj's.

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check out Claes Rosen's remix of Solarity - Essence for how good phased bass can sound

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Andi Vax mixing secrets video gives a good explanation of the mono checking tip and a lot of the basic panning theory is well explained in the recent DJ shadow "V" theory mixing method. Even though there are a good few clubs that aren't in mono, you have to realise how club systems are setup: individual drivers (and therefore crossovers) for each frequency group, so unless they have LFE's in a stereo setup (i.e. balanced on both side of the club (which is really unlikely and I only know of two clubs that have done it) then the bass reproduction IS mono, even if the rest of the system technically isn't. Decades - Rabbit in the moon - one of the tracks (I forget which) has the bass panned wide (either side) and the rest of the mix is adpated and balanced to reflect this. It sounds great on a home system or headphonesbut doesn't sound so great on certain PA's. But then again this was for a CD, not promos for club dj's.

I'm very interested in this topic, but I have yet to find something about bass/kick frequencies being in mono from a respected/experienced producer. I think I already watched that Andi Vax vid but I can't remember if there was anything about these issues in there, will check it out again.

Also see my post on the first page which I haven't yet received any answers or explanations about. I've listed numeral high profile producers with tracks that have (obvious) stereo kicks and basses in it, yet everyone still keeps talking about keeping your kick and bass in mono. What do these people know that Tiesto's mixing crew and ME's don't? As far as I am able to understand up to this point is that the only reason why you'd want to keep the kick and bass in mono is to keep the record from not skeeping if you release as a vinyl. But all clubs are pretty much CDJ these days so that's not really a problem. Plus if you do want to release on vinyl, I imagine it would be quite easy to mono <200Hz frequencies and cut away below 50-60Hz at the mastering stage.

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Originally posted by vikernes I've listed numeral high profile producers with tracks that have (obvious) stereo kicks and basses in it, yet everyone still keeps talking about keeping your kick and bass in mono.

I haven't seen this list - are the kicks and basses stereo across their whole range, or is the really low end mono'd?

In any case, the majority of kicks and low basses are in mono. It generally sounds better to me that way. Maybe I've become conditioned to like that sound since most songs are set up that way. Though sometimes I do hear excellent use of stereo kicks or low basses. Ultimately, it's a creative decision.

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Originally posted by vikernes I'm very interested in this topic, but I have yet to find something about bass/kick frequencies being in mono from a respected/experienced producer. I think I already watched that Andi Vax vid but I can't remember if there was anything about these issues in there, will check it out again. Also see my post on the first page which I haven't yet received any answers or explanations about. I've listed numeral high profile producers with tracks that have (obvious) stereo kicks and basses in it, yet everyone still keeps talking about keeping your kick and bass in mono. What do these people know that Tiesto's mixing crew and ME's don't? As far as I am able to understand up to this point is that the only reason why you'd want to keep the kick and bass in mono is to keep the record from not skeeping if you release as a vinyl. But all clubs are pretty much CDJ these days so that's not really a problem. Plus if you do want to release on vinyl, I imagine it would be quite easy to mono <200Hz frequencies and cut away below 50-60Hz at the mastering stage.

Well andi vax does show the kick and bass in mono at one point in the video. most the people I work with have the majority of bass elements and lo perc elements as mono.

Bear in mind that the whole point of these lower frequency sounds being in mono is because of the way directionality (in terms of sound reproduction) affects them. Bass is in most cases unidirectional in it's path of travel and often, especially with low bass frequencies more felt than heard. They generally are not directional sounds so being in mono keeps them in the mix as centered element and therefore easier to build around.

It ultimately a creative decisions but there is a clear functional reason as to why bass and lo perc are usually mono and down the middle.