There is nothing "wrong" with working purely ITB, I work with an outboard chain because of the distinct sound plugins can't provide.

But for mastering 3 things are really important:
1. Skills of the engineer
2. quality of room
3. quality of monitoring / DA

Give an API 2500 to a monkey and he still will ruin your track.
use a subwoofer in a non tuned room and you will loose too much energy in your lows. etc. etc.

Everybody needs to build credentials and was new to the game once. I would say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. However I could not provide a forumwide 1 free promo.
Time is money. No cure no pay (via snippet) secures your and my investment and translates quality into rewards.

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Not so sure I agree with jumping his case either. He is giving people a "demo" and, if they like it, they can buy into his service.

It's really that simple.

The "before and after" snippet stuff is a sham. Anybody can take a piece of audio, make it sound like shit, and then make it sound much better than shit.

I like the fact that he is offering people to remix THEIR music they send to him. That is the only way to truly test his (or anybodies) skills.

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Originally posted by vikernes Jesus christ people. WTF is wrong with you. The guy clearly said _no strings_ attached. He's offering to master your tracks for free and you still bitch? Like, what does he need to do to please you? He's obviously trying to make a name for himself by doing this, maybe he can do a better job than your professionally (paid for) masters. You don't know until you try. So just send one of your tracks that you got professionally (paid for) mastered and then compare it to his job. What are you afraid of/bitching about tbh?

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley The "before and after" snippet stuff is a sham. Anybody can take a piece of audio, make it sound like shit, and then make it sound much better than shit.

Just because some companies can cheat and lie means that honest and legitimate companies should just stop trying to show the quality of their product for fear that their potential client base wouldn't believe them? Would Olympik Records not show off their signed artists and stop providing free previews of their tracks on your myspace for fear that we might assume that the artists didn't actually produce those songs? Of course not. In audio mastering, you put yourself at an advantage by displaying quality work.

Look, sorry I offended so many of you with my comments, but the OP needs to realize that, free sample or not, mastering is a competitive market and he should be open to constructive criticism. Because if he can't handle the kind of criticism I offered to try to help him, how well is he going to handle the real complaints from his paying clients (and, yes, there will be complaints)?

Personally, I do my own mastering or rely on the label to handle it, so I have no dog in this fight anyway. I think it's great that he's offering a free demo and I didn't bitch/complain that one bit. But, I still think that it's in his best interest to display his talent by offering some audio samples and telling the world what his credentials are. Carry on.

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Wow, this thread turned into a shitstorm out of nowhere!

I don't need to justify any of my tactics here, so I won't.

I don't think I could have made the deal anymore open and friendly.

How about you send a track, check the micro and macro dynamics, the tonal balance, the overall colour/tone/whatever it's called this week of the mix and the stereo imagine balance.

THEN tell me if it's a service worth paying for, and if not, don't use it.

Shame, this is the only forum my simple friendly offer has gone down so badly..

I think it's also worth noting that I have been mastering pretty much everyday in my studio (which isn't a bedroom its and acoustically design unit in a big industrial unit) for the last 3 months or so, and have been mastering at my home studio for friends and associates for a long time before that.

I make money off mastering as it is, I just wanted to expand into genres of music I don't usually get, like Trance, hence the post/offer.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Just because some companies can cheat and lie means that honest and legitimate companies should just stop trying to show the quality of their product for fear that their potential client base wouldn't believe them? Would Olympik Records not show off their signed artists and stop providing free previews of their tracks on your myspace for fear that we might assume that the artists didn't actually produce those songs? Of course not. In audio mastering, you put yourself at an advantage by displaying quality work.

You did not offend me. You've been doing this a lot longer than probably anybody here, and you can probably spot a phony much better than any of us, and you made no secret that was your inclination. That is your opinion which is fine, I just have a different one. If the guy is offering a free track mastered, and you like it and ask for more, then its business. There is NOTHING better than having a free master done except maybe 10 free masters done.

As far as the clips go, you are misconstruing what I said. I suppose sham wasn't the best adjective, but the point was there is no better way to evaluate (in my opinion) the skill of an audio engineer than actually having work done (free or paid) - The guy offers to deliver things face to face on his website, which leads me to believe he's running an honest business. Maybe he sucks, maybe he doesn't.

And finally, I do want to say that having somebody do a free track is not a full proof method. He could, if he was a snake, outsource it to a real engineer for a cheap price if he knew you were interested in getting a full album done.

Lots of assumptions here and I think everybody, on both sides of the fence, (me included) are making too many assumptions about someone who disagrees with them.

I think Raphie put it best.

The proof is in the pudding when you eat it. (Again, it's still not a 100% full proof evaluation unless you watched him make it too!)

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I'm pretty sure I am not going to take your track and pay for someone else to master it...

thanks to the people who have emailed me, getting on these early next week!

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Give the lad a break

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you still doing the free master track offer? ive 4 new tracks that will need to be mastered and my ears be absolutely busted after producing so i tend to leave the mastering to others

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