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Originally posted by movingincircles played around with it at guitar center

If it was anything like my experience with Serato Itch and the Numark NS7 at my local music store, then no, you really don't have enough experience with it to make an informed judgment. Traktor is the shit.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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Originally posted by movingincircles played around with it at guitar center

I thought so.

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Originally posted by stevësto that guy is awesome. i want to buy him drinks for the whole night. djs that entered this hobby in the digital way will probably never understand the old analog beauty. there is something about vinyl that will never be reproduced digitally, like comparing an oil painting to a digitally created "painting". there is a sort of infinite bit rate to analog, there is no bit rate it can be limited to. like light passing through a diamond (or sound passing through a diamond tip record needle). and then two of them beat matched ever so slightly off, adjusting the speed live with the pitch slider instead of pushing the record or touching the platter or spindle, the slight imperfection expressing a human's focus and passion and desire that can be felt through the speakers, sound bouncing around the walls of the room. so romantic! im swooning just thinking about it. (blush)

'infinite' bit rate if it was recorded/produced using analog...

otherwise i pretty much agree with you.

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JORIS VOORN: You can do so much to the music now, and can control so many aspects of it. There are endless possibilities.

everyone always says this - 'endless possibilities' i've never heard a 'digital dj' do something with his technology that moves me more than a great record.

who needs endless possibilities when you just need a few of the best

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Originally posted by nefardec everyone always says this - 'endless possibilities' i've never heard a 'digital dj' do something with his technology that moves me more than a great record. who needs endless possibilities when you just need a few of the best

SO fucking true and the essence of why to me Ableton is not for DJing.

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Originally posted by nefardec everyone always says this - 'endless possibilities' i've never heard a 'digital dj' do something with his technology that moves me more than a great record.

Quite on the same page with you here.

I've heard a variety of interesting things produced out of Ableton, no doubt, but few of those instances have resonated with me in the same way a particularly solid record does.

As much credit as I give to some of those who have devoted a great portion of their focus to using the technology to create/manipulate in order to build something that is more than the sum of its parts (and I don't mean to downplay the potential offered here one bit), it often feels like digital tinkering for its own sake, and rather unsatisfying.

I just wanted to mention...that I totally disagree with the notion that somebody who spins vinyl is likely to play better music than somebody who plays digitally. Sure, quality control is A LOT better if you're restricted to vinyl, but there's no reason why somebody who knows their shit can't come up with an equally as good if not better TL than somebody who uses records.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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Originally posted by Adam420 If it was anything like my experience with Serato Itch and the Numark NS7 at my local music store, then no, you really don't have enough experience with it to make an informed judgment. Traktor is the shit.

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Originally posted by woscar I thought so.

uh beatmatching with a few new things to play around with? no thanks. i'll stick with ableton live

I don't have extensive experience with abelton live but unless you are planning on playing more than 4 tracks at once or use a keyboard/beat pad/sequencer/etc...then I don't really see the point, tbh.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I don't have extensive experience with abelton live but unless you are planning on playing more than 4 tracks at once or use a keyboard/beat pad/sequencer/etc...then I don't really see the point, tbh.

and as well as produce full length tracks

it's really 2 pieces of software in one package.

and there's a lot of little features that can produce huge effects

such as looping VST parameters live, you can't do that stuff in traktor.

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Originally posted by movingincircles such as looping VST parameters live, you can't do that stuff in traktor.

so now we have deejays, producers/live performers, and wannabes who can do neither and just fuck with other people's works of art by adding looping vst parameters and layer inane drum loops and delays

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Originally posted by nefardec everyone always says this - 'endless possibilities' i've never heard a 'digital dj' do something with his technology that moves me more than a great record.

dude i agree to a certain extent but i think it's because the established digital dj hasn't done it right yet. joris voorn did something interesting with balance014, but still did it wrong (imo) and it ended up being a convoluted end-product.

the possibility is there, but people keep on fucking it up by trying to do too much at once, not do enough, or just being outright boring.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue the possibility is there, but people keep on fucking it up by trying to do too much at once, not do enough, or just being outright boring.

sure,

that was my point. endless possibilities aren't the answer.

insight, creativity, spirit, cleverness, etc are all that are needed, and they select the best possibilities.

with endless possibilities you also end up with endless shitty products