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DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Eric J
Well, maybe I misspoke there a little bit. That kind of upgrade would be WAY, WAY down the line. I only mentioned it because it would be the next logical step up from by current monitoring solution. There is a LOT of other things I would upgrade first, including buying a shit ton of software.

Fair enough - I thought this was your next purchase and I know it's a big outlay for a very good but incredibly specific piece of kit.

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Yeah, the thing is that I really want to have the option of at least 2 channels of high quality A/D in addition to the quality D/A. The MOTU converters arent bad, but they definitely fall into the "minimum quality" category. I did look into the Lavry Black, Benchmark and the Mytek solutions, but, obviously those are all D/A only.


Bear in mind the Lavry Blacks are available as either a DA or as a AD.

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I looked at things like the UA 2192 as alternatives, but its twice as expensive as the Rosetta 200. If you have suggestions on alternatives to the Rosetta 200 that offer similar features, I'd be happy to listen.


The UA is great but Ive mixed things about their mic pre's on certain models ans it's not worth the extra over the rosetta which is superb (as long as you don;t mind the very minor apogee color - which a lot of people respect actually like).


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Having 2 channels of HQ A/D gives me options. On the production side, I can record outboard hardware if needed. On the non-production side, I've already been in the process of recording my vinyl collection.


What I do NOT want to do is get something that is a "stop-gap." I already played that game with my monitors and my computer. When I finally shelled out for the Mac Pro, I knew that I would never again question my choice of hardware and DAW software. When I shelled out for the Focal Twins, I knew I would never again question my choice of near field monitors.

That is a great way to buy, that way you only ever have to upgrade when someone brings out a new industry changing design/model. You don;t go through all that buying sub par stuff then buying better stuff then buying the stuff you should have in the process and not wasted the money.


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I want to make that same purchase decision with my D/A converters. When I bought my Focals, I knew that a D/A upgrade was going to be ultimately necessary to get the full benefit of such high quality monitors. The Apogee fufills all my needs for high quality D/A AND A/D without breaking the bank of more expensive solutions.

The next step is going to be shelling out for some decent room treatment. I don't want to go crazy with it, but I could stand to spend a grand or so on some treatment. My room is oddly shaped, so I'm at least working with that advantage.


It seems like you' already have your perfect solution - the only thing you might want to consider is two of the lavry blacks (one in, one out) and you could just buy one for the time being until you have the cash for the second. The A/D might be overkill in terms of inputs but you never know.



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Yeah, I'll look into it, but honestly, I had ALWAYS had bad luck with buying used gear. Cars, computers, even refurbished always cause me problems.

BTW--My 24 I/O will be up for sale in the next week or two after I get the 2408, so if you are interested, let me know before I put it up on eBay. You'll need a PCI-324 or PCI-424 card to make it work.


That's strange - I've bought so much gear over ebay and a small amount from craigs list and never had a single problem. in fact the only piece of kit I bought new were my monitors. caigs list I'm more worried about and if i get the slightest bad feeling from the seller I walk away, but ebay has been flawless.

If you do go the motu route, I would really look in to second hand - honestly I saw maybe only a handfull come back with a problem over a 3 year period of tech/repair work, and even then it was just a very rare compnonet failure or quite obvious user damage.

I just stay away from the people who try to seel kit by saying thisngs like "not sure if it works, no time to test it" or "i don't know anything about music equipment and I'm selling this becuase I found it in my loft" or people who just give manufacturers info for detail on the product. You can tell if there's an issue by how they post it and if they lie, at least with ebay , you get your money back.

The cool thing with ebay now, id for most circumstances they don't release the funds until you leave feedback. Just got a Audiofire (which I have to say is quite great) and I got to test it fully before leaving feedback and therefore releasing the funds.

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Eric J
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Bear in mind the Lavry Blacks are available as either a DA or as a AD.


Agreed, but then I have to buy two of them (one AD, one DA), and that would end up costing more than the single Rosetta unit.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
The UA is great but Ive mixed things about their mic pre's on certain models ans it's not worth the extra over the rosetta which is superb (as long as you don;t mind the very minor apogee color - which a lot of people respect actually like).


Yeah, that is what I have heard. There is SO much personal preference when purchasing at this level and the people are SO passionate about why their preference is better. Some of the arguments, especially on GS, can get pretty heated. It seems like the cooler heads all say the same thing: For the most part, at the > $2,000 level, they are ALL great units, its just about personal preference. In addition, so many people who know that level of gear are working with live instruments and have recording needs that FAR surpass what I do. As an electronic musician who is software based, I have the luxury of not having to worry about preamp quality, noise floors, and all that good stuff.

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That is a great way to buy, that way you only ever have to upgrade when someone brings out a new industry changing design/model. You don;t go through all that buying sub par stuff then buying better stuff then buying the stuff you should have in the process and not wasted the money.


Agreed, I'm just lucky enough to be in the position to be able to afford it. Unfortunately, I have spent a lot more money in the process than I could have had I known then what I know now. But, you know, live and learn.


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Originally posted by DJ RANN
It seems like you' already have your perfect solution - the only thing you might want to consider is two of the lavry blacks (one in, one out) and you could just buy one for the time being until you have the cash for the second. The A/D might be overkill in terms of inputs but you never know.


Yeah, but its just the having to buy two $1,000 devices, instead of one device at $1,500 or so. Plus the Rosetta is all in one unit, rack mountable, etc.

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That's strange - I've bought so much gear over ebay and a small amount from craigs list and never had a single problem. in fact the only piece of kit I bought new were my monitors. caigs list I'm more worried about and if i get the slightest bad feeling from the seller I walk away, but ebay has been flawless.

If you do go the motu route, I would really look in to second hand - honestly I saw maybe only a handfull come back with a problem over a 3 year period of tech/repair work, and even then it was just a very rare compnonet failure or quite obvious user damage.

I just stay away from the people who try to seel kit by saying thisngs like "not sure if it works, no time to test it" or "i don't know anything about music equipment and I'm selling this becuase I found it in my loft" or people who just give manufacturers info for detail on the product. You can tell if there's an issue by how they post it and if they lie, at least with ebay , you get your money back.

The cool thing with ebay now, id for most circumstances they don't release the funds until you leave feedback. Just got a Audiofire (which I have to say is quite great) and I got to test it fully before leaving feedback and therefore releasing the funds.


You make a good point here, if I find a good deal, I may do it. If like to have a few extra hundred to put toward the Rosetta, as I'll be pretty close once I get the 24 I/O sold. I just get SO nervous when dealing on eBay. I do it a fair bit, but it still makes me nervous.

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DJDIRTY
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You'll be happy with the rosetta Eric. You know I had same setup as you, except dieferent monitors and instead of using motu i used rme multiface. I bypassed the converters on the rme and used the rosetta's.. Just like what you're about to do. In fact we had that conversation before.. I also thought about lavry black or blue, but I liked the sound of the apogee.. Rosetta was cheaper than two lavry black or one lavry blue with ad/da in the end.. Anyways enjoy it if you get it.. I have sold my rosetta since I had some financial trubbles, and now back to rme and let me tell you, as soon as I get some money I got to get rosetta back.

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Sweet! Its good to get a thumbs up from a satisfied user. I'm excited to get it.

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