Originally posted by M.A.R.K
ok fair enough, i guess i wasn't right thinking that there isn't any possibility of it being corrupt either BUT i still believe chances are pretty slim of it happening. it is afterall operated by a "professional" organization. to me, that sounds like someone telling me the NBA or the NHL is also corrupt. i mean come on, i really don't believe in that.
Just because it's professional doesn't really have a bearing on whether it's corrupt or not. There are professional companies, corporations, etc. that are corrupt (I'm not talking sports, I just mean in general). I don't really see where the NBA or NHL fit into this because we don't hear of the same complaints... there really is no good way to cheat in those games anyways. The World Cup, on the other hand, is much much much greater in magnitude than an NHL season (so certain people have a greater reason to want to cheat). And it's a lot easier... FIFA picked refs from smaller developing countries. Either they just aren't good referies (which I doubt, ref'ing a game isn't rocket science), or they recieved extra money (which I find likely but obviously highly debatable). Plus the fact that they are from these less developed countries may make them more likely to take a bribe. I'm not saying people from less developed countries are unethical, it's just that money is much more scarce in those areas.
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Originally posted by M.A.R.K
anyway no hard feelings. sometimes thats just the way sports is. you win some you lose some and thats why they do this every 4 years. so the losing nations can regroup and try again next time around and hope the refs improve on their decision making ability.
I hope next WC is better, and not plagued by some of the issues that made this one less enjoyable. But there's always the euro cup soon
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Originally posted by M.A.R.K
PS - for whatever reason, i thought i would be getting a hostile reply but i'm glad you didn't find my post offensive.
Hahaha, don't worry, I never flame anyone if they raise good points and can carry on a good debate.
Jun-28-2002 18:10
Mark
FreewayENT
Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Vancouver, BC
well actually we do. we always get complaints of poor officiating every playoff year. this year has been no exception either. we had 3 personnel fined by the NHL this year for bad mouthing referees.
also if refs are calling unfair penalties to give the opponents powerplay after powerplay or even a 5 on 3 advantage then would you consider that a type of cheating? probably not, but i think whats been said about fifa can also have been easily applied to north american sports as well.
ya i can't understand why fifa chose a lot of refs from less developed countries when they have a lot of very experienced ones right there in europe handling club soccer year in year out.
oh well this can go forever, you believe there's a conspiracy and i don't believe it exists in the big leagues. in the end, our views are not likely to change. also, only 1 team wins it and i don't think brazil or germany had "cheated" their way into the final so i guess this WC isn't completely spoiled.
if brazil wins, my team are champions and if germany wins, i get a free dinner. whoo hoo what more can i ask?
Jun-28-2002 18:58
Michael Russo
mmm mmm prog
Registered: Mar 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Originally posted by M.A.R.K
well actually we do. we always get complaints of poor officiating every playoff year. this year has been no exception either. we had 3 personnel fined by the NHL this year for bad mouthing referees.
also if refs are calling unfair penalties to give the opponents powerplay after powerplay or even a 5 on 3 advantage then would you consider that a type of cheating? probably not, but i think whats been said about fifa can also have been easily applied to north american sports as well.
Lol, I didn't know about the poor officiating because I'm not really a fan of hockey.
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Originally posted by M.A.R.K
also, only 1 team wins it and i don't think brazil or germany had "cheated" their way into the final so i guess this WC isn't completely spoiled.
The outcome could have been different had different teams advanced, but both brazil and germany are good teams so I'm not really upset.
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Originally posted by M.A.R.K
if brazil wins, my team are champions and if germany wins, i get a free dinner. whoo hoo what more can i ask?
Hahaha
Jun-28-2002 22:08
Gourhellyea
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Oct 2000
Location: RU, Jersey
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Originally posted by Michael Russo
of course i'm biased, but that's irrelevant... it doesn't change the fact that what I wrote is correct. The person who wrote that article was also biased... that didn't stop you from saying "thanks for posting this article." The point is that I made some good points in what I wrote... obviously you know what I wrote is true because "hey buddy, it is you who is biased" is your best comeback... HAHAHA
god, you have opened my eyes. your ridiculously complicated analysis makes absolute perfect sense.
you are an idiot. how can your bias be irrelevant? that is the cause for you seeing only korea at fault and not italy. the author of the article was far more objective than you and if your justification for his being on korea's side is because he is also paid off is hilarious. the only person who thinks that you are correct is yourself buddy.
Jun-30-2002 01:45
DarkTrance
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: CTA #4
honestly I think that article is full of shit, that guy was obviously a korean fan, and the part where he said about spain scoring a disallowed goal but hte koreans stopped playing is bullshit, to me it looked like the korean goal keeper was trying to save it. And the source matters, some sources are full of shit (like this one) and others aren't
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Jul-01-2002 09:07
dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
man...
people we gotta let this go. it hardly matters anymore at this point. i really don't think a team would accept a world cup victory knowing that the tourney was rigged in their favour. who would stoop that low?? i'm sure none of you would want something like that, you want what you earn. the ref's certainly made bad calls, but i don't think they were calling the game in favour of one team or another. and again much trueness with the idea that good teams always find a way to win. italy is a strong team no doubt, and they had many missed opportunities. bad calls are always part of the game but if the team is good and can win under pressure that should not pose a problem. ie. Ronaldinho being sent off on a Red card vs. England (was questionable). brazil down to 10 men but HELD for the victory. and eventually the cup. it is easy to point blame at calls when a good team falls when realistically they should be analyzing their own shortcomings and seeing where they can improve in the future. being all upset about a bad call here or there will never help the problem. only FIFA can do that.
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