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Originally posted by Dior Homme Obviously looking back I wouldn't have done it but then again I don't have a crystal ball to tell me what I shouldn't be doing.

it's called "having a conscience" or knowing what's right or wrong

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew it's called "having a conscience" or knowing what's right or wrong

Thanks, please also tell me you obey every rule and regulation in this world. Do you ever do 110km on the highway? Because that is still speeding. So judging by you description of a conscience you would be found guilty. Finding a toonie on the ground and picking it up with no one around in sight is still wrong but I'm sure you or anyone else still will claim it. I am in no way shape or form a dangerous or wreckless driver. I got caught in an unfortunate situation and yes I may have to pay a penalty but that is okay with me. I would like to have the charges at least lowered.

get a paralegal and fight it.
if u need one pm me, this guy has been great to me throughout the years, i've gotten a ticket at wasaga many years ago and for a little extra he drove there for me and had it reduced to maybe 10-15 over..

he will charge you though 250 maybe 300 bucks maybe a little more but you can be sure he will have it reduced to no points most likely which is the biggest issue here..

whoever thinks 142 is fast those people can eat a dick
the whole speeding ticket system is the biggest fucking scam in the world, probably worse than parking tickets.
speed limit on a highway should be at least 120km/h but they know if they change that then there will be no more revenue coming in from these "traffic violations" which is fucking bullshit imo.
there are certain times where you have to go slow, (more cars on the road you slow down, no cars on the road and you driving from mtl you should be able to drive faster) basically common sense should be present according to the road/traffic conditions.

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Last edited by geroin on Aug-18-2009 at 08:46

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Originally posted by geroin speed limit on a highway should be at least 120km/h but they know if they change that then there will be no more revenue coming in from these "traffic violations" which is fucking bullshit imo.

so true

cars shouldn't be physically able to do more than 100km/h if there aren't any roads on this continent that allow you to drive faster. What's the point? It's like making guns and ammo available to everyone but telling them they aren't allowed to use them.

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lol, some of you guys are on this guy like he killed someone. Whatever, he went 140+.. what a criminal.

Ok, you should *always* request a trial - about 3-4 weeks before your court date you should also send registered mail to the provincial prosecutor (addressed @ your court house) requesting full disclosure (officers training, writing on front/back of ticket, radar unit involved, last time it was calibrated (if not laser), etc). Apparently they now have forms available for this at the courthouse...it's been 5+ years since I had to bother with this but there was a time where I was a regular, lol.

I first learned about this stuff on a site called fyst - www.magma.ca/~fyst - but it seems to be down/gone. Perhaps there is a mirror out there - a google search gave me some relevant threads for you.

For me, there have been times where the cop showed up but didn't provide the info I requested and thus didn't want to testify - I was off. Another time he didn't provide it, and instead I got another court date 5 months later (aka 9 months after the ticket). Other times I received the info, didn't want to bother with a trial, and just went for 15 over.

FYI - demerit points stay on your record 2 years from infraction date. Insurance is 3 years from conviction date. (as far as I recall)

Good luck

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Originally posted by Swamper FYI - demerit points stay on your record 2 years from infraction date. Insurance is 3 years from conviction date. (as far as I recall) Good luck

i think it's both conviction date.. first is 2 second is 3

and the website:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071028...magma.ca/~fyst/




it makes me sick how people accept the system here, you speed you get pulled over, fine you "broke" the law, pay the ticket and go on your way, but no you get fucked twice for making one mistake, not only you've got a fine to pay but then you end up paying thousands of dollars to insurance for 3 years because now they deem you an unsafe driver which basically forces people to hire lawyers/paralegals to avoid these insane fines which now creates another industry that we feed which is paralegals (hilarious really), insurance should worry about the actual car accident claims and who is at fault instead of looking at demerit points. Absolute scammers.



btw great quote from the website:

"Deliberately setting the speed limit too low, and then sending out cops to sneak behind motorists is highway robbery disguised as traffic safety enforcement... [in a traffic court] the robber is the plaintiff and the victim is the accused..."

"Breaking the laws of speed limit doesn't kill, breaking the laws of physics does."

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Last edited by geroin on Aug-18-2009 at 08:55

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Originally posted by Dior Homme Thanks, please also tell me you obey every rule and regulation in this world. Do you ever do 110km on the highway? Because that is still speeding. So judging by you description of a conscience you would be found guilty. Finding a toonie on the ground and picking it up with no one around in sight is still wrong but I'm sure you or anyone else still will claim it. I am in no way shape or form a dangerous or wreckless driver. I got caught in an unfortunate situation and yes I may have to pay a penalty but that is okay with me. I would like to have the charges at least lowered.

I'm sure most people do those things...the difference is some people can't accept the consequences of their actions and others can. If you can't accept the consequences of your actions then it tells alot about you as person.

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Last edited by Moral Hazard on Apr-26-2011 at 07:48

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Originally posted by Dior Homme Thanks, please also tell me you obey every rule and regulation in this world. Do you ever do 110km on the highway? Because that is still speeding. So judging by you description of a conscience you would be found guilty. Finding a toonie on the ground and picking it up with no one around in sight is still wrong but I'm sure you or anyone else still will claim it. I am in no way shape or form a dangerous or wreckless driver. I got caught in an unfortunate situation and yes I may have to pay a penalty but that is okay with me. I would like to have the charges at least lowered.

woah dude judging by a paragraph explanation I hit a soft spot
FYI I wasn't judging, just merely pointing out, so chill!

and there's nothing wrong with picking up money from the ground, what planet are you from?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew woah dude judging by a paragraph explanation I hit a soft spot FYI I wasn't judging, just merely pointing out, so chill! and there's nothing wrong with picking up money from the ground, what planet are you from?

Finders keepers losers weepers

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Originally posted by Swamper Ok, you should *always* request a trial - about 3-4 weeks before your court date you should also send registered mail to the provincial prosecutor (addressed @ your court house) requesting full disclosure (officers training, writing on front/back of ticket, radar unit involved, last time it was calibrated (if not laser), etc). Apparently they now have forms available for this at the courthouse...it's been 5+ years since I had to bother with this but there was a time where I was a regular, lol. ... For me, there have been times where the cop showed up but didn't provide the info I requested and thus didn't want to testify - I was off. Another time he didn't provide it, and instead I got another court date 5 months later (aka 9 months after the ticket). Other times I received the info, didn't want to bother with a trial, and just went for 15 over.

THIS

1. Always request court date, for any ticket.
2. 2-3 weeks before the date, request full disclosure via registered mail.
3. If no documents provided to you, file a motion to dismiss the case (since they have no evidence presented to you).
4. If you have evidence presented to you, you still have a chance that a police officer doesn't show up.
5. Even if he does show up, you still have a chance to talk to the person in court and get the fine significantly reduced (i.e. no points, lower amount, different charge).
6. If the duration of time between when you got your ticket and the court date is more than a year, you can always try to request a dismissal since this violates the whole "speedy trial" thing.

All of the above I got off of Google a while ago.

I recently had my first ticket. Making a left turn off of King st during rush hour where it's prohibited Mon-Fri, 5-7 or some other such bullshit. The cop was just pulling over everyone and writing out mad amount of tickets. Funny enough, next day, no cop, everyone that lives or goes shopping on that street still does the same thing... What a cash generator. $110 and 2 demerit points for making a turn at 5PM. wow.

Furthermore...

1. Never talk to a cop beyond "How can I help you officer". Any questions such as "Did you see the sign?" or "Do you know how fast you were going?" should be answered with: "Officer, can you tell me the reason I was pulled over? How can I help you at this time?"

2. ANY STATEMENT YOU MAKE (such as "I did see the sign" or "I was going only 115") already make you guilty - and you bet your ass the cop will tell about your ADMISSION OF GUILT in court!!!

3. When actually in court, try to get the fine (such as speeding) reduced to a city by-law violation with no points and exactly the same $$ payable to the city. You see, an HTA violation such as a speeding ticket, assuming you're convicted, goes on your record. That conviction affects your insurance rates. However, a city by-law violation does not go on your record.

4. It is also highly recommended to change your court date anyway because it might increase the chance that the police officer will not show up.

Point 3 I'm not 100% sure on - it's what some forums gave me on Google.

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Last edited by Superstring on Aug-18-2009 at 14:25

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Originally posted by geroin whoever thinks 142 is fast those people can eat a dick the whole speeding ticket system is the biggest fucking scam in the world, probably worse than parking tickets. speed limit on a highway should be at least 120km/h but they know if they change that then there will be no more revenue coming in from these "traffic violations" which is fucking bullshit imo. there are certain times where you have to go slow, (more cars on the road you slow down, no cars on the road and you driving from mtl you should be able to drive faster) basically common sense should be present according to the road/traffic conditions.

one million times yes yes yes...

I was under the impression that the limits were dropped during the fuel embargo to save on consumption...

And that was 35 years ago!!!

Speeding tickets are a pure cash cow...

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