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Originally posted by Theran I haven't been around for a while, read a little occasionally, but never felt like reacting anymore. However, this I can't go by without giving my opinion. I'm sorry Stephen, but your post is utter bullshit. It's your opinion, so don't period us! So what if he played a lot of the same tracks Oalkenfold played. When you where just a baby boy, Tiësto already was producing and DJ-ing. The first tracks, he produced himself, after that, he got a producer team behind him which - till this day - produces his tracks for him. Who are you to say that he doesn't give a damn about making quality music! I'm getting so sick of some ignorant pricks that - probably out of jealousy - flame another DJ. Tiësto did a lot for trance music in general, and still does. I've seen him play a couple of times and it was really great!! He really deserved it to be no1 DJ of the world. Period.

This first part of your gripe is legit. While i'm sure its possible he could have intentionally copied Paul's style; there's no way of proving that.

Tiesto also did a lot for trance; this is true.

However; he definitely is undeserved of the number 1 spot in the dj poll. Just because he does shady bullshit like that and is constantly taking advantage of people.

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Originally posted by Theran I haven't been around for a while, read a little occasionally, but never felt like reacting anymore. However, this I can't go by without giving my opinion. I'm sorry Stephen, but your post is utter bullshit. It's your opinion, so don't period us! So what if he played a lot of the same tracks Oakenfold played. When you where just a baby boy, Tiësto already was producing and DJ-ing. The first tracks, he produced himself, after that, he got a producer team behind him which - till this day - produces his tracks for him. Who are you to say that he doesn't give a damn about making quality music! I'm getting so sick of some ignorant pricks that - probably out of jealousy - flame another DJ. Tiësto did a lot for trance music in general, and still does. I've seen him play a couple of times and it was really great!! He really deserved it to be no1 DJ of the world. Period.

#1 Little boy? I'll bet I'm older than you and have been involved in dance music longer as well. I'm well aware of Tiesto's rise to success through the Magik 6 series (The only tune to ever come from those compilations was "Cloud Sixty - 69 Ways" which was produced by our very own Laurent), however; that doesn't mean shit for what is going on in 2009 and what will continue to go on in 2010

#2 So what if he was playing everything Oakenfold played and doing the Jesus pose?!?!?!?!? If that isn't a poser, I don't know what is.

## I CAN say he doesn't give a damn about making quality music because he USED to (key word here is used to) make great music but now it's total garbage and obviously lacks effort and creativity. So instead of using his god given ability, which he made known world wide with great music, he has gone into a shell and turned into another celeb wannabe DJ who hires ghost writers because he can't be bothered to sit around and schedule studio time. And before you get your panties in a wad, all top jock DJ's do this, which is why you hear so many complaints about them.

#5 I'm not flaming anybody. Just stating the facts, but apparently they bother you or you live in a fantasy world. Tiesto is not as good a producer or DJ as he used to be and you won't find anybody who thinks otherwise.

#6 You, sir, are the ignorant prick with an obvious hard on for Tiesto. It couldn't be more obvious. You even put the two dots in the E of his name in your post LOL.

Why don't you do some research before holding strong opinions about things you obviously and completely have no grasp on.

He went where no other dj went before. He is undoubtfully the dj with the most impressive achievements behind his name. Playing on the Olympic games? First dj ever to fill up a stadium around his own persona? That's right, Tiesto.

I've only been present at one live set by him in person which I didn't like at all.

Why this talk about Tiesto at all when Mac & Mac should be the actual subject of this conversation? To bad this subject is highly informative.

And people that complain about his ghost-writers... ROFL! Get a real job, you obviously don't have one if you have time to care about such details. If he wouldn't be as famous as he is this subject wouldn't even have been debated thus I can only conclude Tiesto and the people that surround him are doing a great job.

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Tiesto doesn't have "ghost writers" anyway. His collaborators are listed on the album liner notes, which is more than you can say for some people who have hired help.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I personally love the guitar in Aerosmith's "Dream On" - There is no midi for it, so I just popped it open in Melodyne, opened up the DNA, did a little editing, and bam I had the melody for the song.

Sorry to go off-topic, but Melodyne DNA hasn't been released yet and even the public beta release has been delayed until at least September, from what I've been hearing. How are you using it already?!

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 He owns the label does he not?

On paper, sure, but how much does he actually take part in running it?

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 He owns the label does he not?

If a production is a reproduction of another track it's the artists' problem in most cases. Every decent label has a clause about this stuff making copyright issues the artist his responsibility, which it is anyway as they took the initiative to make this reproduction (assuming they did so consciously). Those are the ones you should be whining about.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #1 Little boy? I'll bet I'm older than you

- hmm, that has nothing to do with it. I said you WHERE are little boy while he started out....

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #2 So what if he was playing everything Oakenfold played and doing the Jesus pose?!?!?!?!? If that isn't a poser, I don't know what is

- Again, so what?

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #3 I CAN say he doesn't give a damn about making quality music because he USED to (key word here is used to) make great music but now it's total garbage and obviously lacks effort and creativity.

- Please... give me some examples.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #5 I'm not flaming anybody. Just stating the facts, but apparently they bother you or you live in a fantasy world. Tiesto is not as good a producer or DJ as he used to be and you won't find anybody who thinks otherwise.

- Hmm, you're not? Than I have to research the definition of flaming again... Does it bother me that you spread your opinion based on your 'so called facts' (which by the way, I'd love to view), yeah they bother me. And is not about just Tiësto. Everybody these days think they can have an honest opinion about somebody they don't even know, you talking about him as he was your next door neighbour. All I mean to say is, look at yourself before criticizing another. If he wasn't that good, he wouldn't be at the top of the league.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley #6 You, sir, are the ignorant prick with an obvious hard on for Tiesto. It couldn't be more obvious. You even put the two dots in the E of his name in your post LOL.

- And I think you say that because I criticize your opinion, so I let you get away with this one. And yeah, If you make somebody an ass, you could at least spell his name right, and no, I do not have a hard on for him. You think Steven Tyler is good, you have a hard on for him? Didn't think so, little childish there Stephen.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Why don't you do some research before holding strong opinions about things you obviously and completely have no grasp on.

I don't see you doing your research before talking shit about him.

I don't mean to be a dick here Stephen, but don't go bad on somebody. It has no use and you are just wasting your time. The time talking shit about Tiësto, is time you could spend making music ..

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ive been a 4-5 tiesto gigs and they are all great memories. though when downloading his sets its mostly garbage (except 99 stuff), when getting his mix-cds its very up and downs, track selection is usualy good but mixing and how the tracks are put after each other usualy sucks. its like he is not building into anything but instead all the track stands on there own in a random follow. then when listening to his own production albums? my god thats some awfull stuff. and when i came to think of it i have never like a single track by him except for Sparkle (some remix), Traffik and Flight 643. Most of his remixes have a good theme though but the general sound and structure are ass. With this i conclude with this is a dude with a real (and i mean really!) passion for music but without talent of production. He (or his team) can make decent melodies but the rest is just shit (except trafik and flight 643 which i assume is made by a totaly diferent producer).

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley You even put the two dots in the E of his name in your post LOL.

That made me spit water out my nose; roffl!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Storyteller He went where no other dj went before. He is undoubtfully the dj with the most impressive achievements behind his name. Playing on the Olympic games? First dj ever to fill up a stadium around his own persona? That's right, Tiesto. I've only been present at one live set by him in person which I didn't like at all. Why this talk about Tiesto at all when Mac & Mac should be the actual subject of this conversation? To bad this subject is highly informative. And people that complain about his ghost-writers... ROFL! Get a real job, you obviously don't have one if you have time to care about such details. If he wouldn't be as famous as he is this subject wouldn't even have been debated thus I can only conclude Tiesto and the people that surround him are doing a great job.

Tiesto was brought up because he owns Magic Muzik. The Label that put out the tracks. he has been implicated and accused of stealing melody's in the past so this is nothing new. That's why he was brought up.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Tiesto doesn't have "ghost writers" anyway. His collaborators are listed on the album liner notes, which is more than you can say for some people who have hired help.

This is true, he has always listed the co producers/engineers. Yet it's done so only industry folk understand it. So i'm meh on respecting the fact he does it. Like said before it should be in the title as a co production.