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Originally posted by iTranscendence “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Then you continue drinking, then you pass out, then you wake up starving, then you eat a big block of cheese, then you fart profusely, then you have a tummy ache, then you pass a shadoobie, then you pass out on the throne, then you wake up, then you remember to brush your teeth, then you pass out again on the couch......

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by iTranscendence [img]http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/roomful.jpeg[img]

Another shit response. Nice..

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The US exim banks is an export credit agency, they give out LOANS, not grants, that finance export purchases or fund local jobs. It requires at least a 50% US stake in the venture whether that come from the purchase of US exports or funding US jobs via contracting out to US companies. Perhaps an easy analogy to use is that if egyptair wants to upgrade its fleet of jets it will work with exim bank to provide a loan to purchase boeing jets which it will eventually pay back the loan with interest. This is nothing new, exim bank has been operating since the 30's and has been facilitating deals under every administration since. Not only has exim bank been operating since the 30s but there are now some 70 or 80 foreign exim banks that are competing against the US exim bank.

So here's the question you should ask yourself ... Brazil is going to develop its oil fields no matter what. They have basically issued a letter of intent. Now do you want US oil companies developing those fields via a US exim loan (perhaps halliburton which should appease you neoconservatives) or do you want a Russian or an EU country developing them via a loan from their respective exim banks?

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Retro ...

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MAY 7, 2009 Contact: Linda Formella (202) 565-3200 U.S. EXPORTERS TO BENEFIT FROM A $2 BILLION EX-IM BANK PRELIMINARY COMMITMENT TO BRAZIL'S PETROBRAS WASHINGTON, D.C.: Small and large U.S. companies may benefit from a nonbinding preliminary commitment of $2 billion in financing from the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im Bank) to encourage purchases of U.S. goods and services by Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), Brazil's national oil company. Pending a final approval, the financing is anticipated to support more than $2.2 billion of U.S. exports to Petrobras. Ex-Im Bank anticipates that this preliminary commitment will give Petrobras the opportunity to identify potential U.S. exporters for its projects over the next two years. Upon conversion of the preliminary commitment to a final commitment, the financing could be used to support U.S. exports on repayment terms of up to 10 years, including a potential conversion of part of the financing to establish a medium-term (one to seven years) credit guarantee facility. Petrobras may use U.S. goods and services financed under an Ex-Im Bank final commitment to develop its offshore oil and gas reserves, particularly the large pre-salt reserves in the Santos Basin, and also to develop and upgrade its refining and distribution infrastructure. Petrobras anticipates that it will invest $174 billion in development over the next five years. "Petrobras presents an enormous opportunity for U.S. exporters in the oil and gas industries and many other sectors. With this preliminary commitment, Ex-Im Bank is actively encouraging Petrobras to consider extensive sourcing of equipment, services and supplies from the United States for its offshore development and infrastructure expansion," said Ex-Im Bank Structured Finance Vice President Barbara O'Boyle. U.S. companies of all sizes that are interested in exploring export opportunities to Petrobras may contact Philip Limón, treasurer, Petrobras America Inc. in Houston, Texas, (713-808-2160; [email protected]) to learn more about the company's bidding process and how to participate in transactions that could be financially assisted by Ex-Im Bank. Founded in 1953, Petrobras is the primary oil company operating in Brazil and is one of the world's largest oil producers. Petrobras holds the second largest reserves in South America, with proven oil reserves totaling 12.5 billion barrels and proven natural gas reserves totaling 14.8 trillion cubic feet. Petrobras is a fully integrated oil and natural gas services company and operates in all parts of the production chain from exploration and development to production, refining, transportation, distribution and marketing. Ex-Im Bank offered the $2 billion preliminary commitment to Petrobras as part of its proactive outreach. A preliminary commitment is issued by Ex-Im Bank to demonstrate that the Bank is interested in providing financing for the types of transactions indicated. Final approval follows receipt of a final commitment application, review by Ex-Im Bank staff and final action by the Bank's board of directors. In fiscal year 2008, Ex-Im Bank authorized a total of $14.4 billion in financing to support an estimated $19.6 billion of U.S. exports worldwide. The Bank authorized financing to support $1.5 billion of U.S. exports for oil and gas production projects. Ex-Im Bank is the official export-credit agency of the United States. The independent, self-sustaining federal agency, now in its 75th year, helps to create and maintain U.S. jobs by financing the sale of U.S. exports, primarily to emerging markets throughout the world, by providing loan guarantees, export-credit insurance and direct loans. For more information, visit www.exim.gov. http://www.exim.gov/pressrelease.cf...3E6E44E287C2DA/

http://www.exim.gov/



Thanks for pointing this out Occ. I knew the US government had many export incentive programs, but i didn't realize an entire agency was set up to provide financing to support US exports. Very interesting stuff.

Last edited by jerZ07002 on Aug-28-2009 at 07:16

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN are you sure that's not a truther rally?

Quite, that is obviously a room full of ninjas!

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Originally posted by occrider The US exim banks is an export credit agency, they give out LOANS, not grants, that finance export purchases or fund local jobs. It requires at least a 50% US stake in the venture whether that come from the purchase of US exports or funding US jobs via contracting out to US companies. Perhaps an easy analogy to use is that if egyptair wants to upgrade its fleet of jets it will work with exim bank to provide a loan to purchase boeing jets which it will eventually pay back the loan with interest. This is nothing new, exim bank has been operating since the 30's and has been facilitating deals under every administration since. Not only has exim bank been operating since the 30s but there are now some 70 or 80 foreign exim banks that are competing against the US exim bank. So here's the question you should ask yourself ... Brazil is going to develop its oil fields no matter what. They have basically issued a letter of intent. Now do you want US oil companies developing those fields via a US exim loan (perhaps halliburton which should appease you neoconservatives) or do you want a Russian or an EU country developing them via a loan from their respective exim banks?

cheers man!

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Originally posted by occrider The US exim banks is an export credit agency, they give out LOANS, not grants, that finance export purchases or fund local jobs. It requires at least a 50% US stake in the venture whether that come from the purchase of US exports or funding US jobs via contracting out to US companies. Perhaps an easy analogy to use is that if egyptair wants to upgrade its fleet of jets it will work with exim bank to provide a loan to purchase boeing jets which it will eventually pay back the loan with interest. This is nothing new, exim bank has been operating since the 30's and has been facilitating deals under every administration since. Not only has exim bank been operating since the 30s but there are now some 70 or 80 foreign exim banks that are competing against the US exim bank. So here's the question you should ask yourself ... Brazil is going to develop its oil fields no matter what. They have basically issued a letter of intent. Now do you want US oil companies developing those fields via a US exim loan (perhaps halliburton which should appease you neoconservatives) or do you want a Russian or an EU country developing them via a loan from their respective exim banks?

I applied to work there, and you still explained it more concisely than I could have.

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I think its a fairly good bit of pro-active safeguarding given the majority of oil from the middle east is liable to explode in price every time someone launches a bottle rocket near a share holder.

The other important fact is that Brazil isn't a member of OPEC... buying oil out from under them will force prices to maintain some downward/realistic trends.

Also, three of the five directors of the Ex-Im Bank were nominated by Republican presidents.

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Further lols:

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Charge: The U.S. government is giving away more than $2 billion in taxpayer dollars to Brazil’s largest oil and gas company to drill for oil in Brazil. Fact: The Bank has approved a preliminary commitment to lend up to $2 billion to Petrobras for the purchase of American-made goods and services. The funds will go to American exporters as payment for their sales to the company. Of note, the Bank is self-sustaining and no taxpayer dollars are involved. Charge: The loans to Petrobras represent a giveaway of U.S. tax dollars. Fact: The Bank’s activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime. In fact, since 1992 the American people netted more than $4.9 billion and the jobs those exports created. Charge: America is exporting jobs to Brazil as a result of the loans. Fact: Only American made goods and services qualify for Ex-Im Bank loans or guarantees. This is the government doing what it's supposed to do - helping to create U.S. jobs, making sure that Americans get a fair shot at selling goods and services, and helping American workers compete on a level playing field against foreign competition. Charge: The loan to Petrobras represents a reversal of the Obama Administration’s policies on off-shore drilling. Fact: The Bank’s bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank’s Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush.

http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm

Jesus man, do you do any research before opinion pieces by known conservative editorial boards send you into an apoplectic frenzy?

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Hmmm... I do appreciate the explanation, occrider. It certainly makes sense. I am still, however, within my rights to be upset about the deal regardless because A) Soros clearly made out like a bandit in the deal by making moves just a few days before it was inked... in a similar fashion that had the Left screaming bloody murder about Cheney/Halliburton; B) The same amount of money was denied to a US based company to develop nuclear technology for energy purposes, after Obama made promises on the campaign trail to that company that it would happen; and C) It's retarded that Obama will help underwrite a loan for offshore drilling in Brazil that will supposedly benefit the U.S., but won't consider allowing it to happen here which will benefit our economy even more.

All in all though, I thank you for correcting some erroneous judgements I had on the issue.