Who knows, maybe the guy's comment just came out wrong. Maybe it was triggered more by Chris S' comment about "meticulously humanizing drum loops, one note at a time", and he assumed your comment about triggering different velocity layers was also about creating a more "human" feel?

I could understand his comment if it was a reaction to spending time trying to get machines to sound like humans playing...it's fair enough to say, just play the instrument to get that human variation in timing and dynamics.

MrJiveBoJingles, there are still plenty of dick-measuring contests for us producers, even if we don't compare real-time keyboard or guitar playing skills. The loudness war is one aspect of it. Sure, not every producer cares to participate in it, but not every guitarist cares to shred flat out like Paul Gilbert either.

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Originally posted by Subtle Its great to be able to make complete works without having to rely on anyone else.

this, its extremely satisfying to make a edm track. the feeling i get when i feel a track is finished is awesome. if its good enough to release too then its just indescribable lol. and the satisfaction i get by releasing the track myself on my own label too is just great. do everything yourself, trust no one, listen to one, find it out yourself, keep your mind unpolluted!

cryo: just dont care about what others say, theres so many assholes out there lol.

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Originally posted by derail MrJiveBoJingles, there are still plenty of dick-measuring contests for us producers, even if we don't compare real-time keyboard or guitar playing skills. The loudness war is one aspect of it. Sure, not every producer cares to participate in it, but not every guitarist cares to shred flat out like Paul Gilbert either.

Very true.

Same sorta thing happened to me about a month ago on Youtube. I posted RickyM's mix of Evanstar, and someone decided to call it "one man machine crap".

Some people just don't get it, music is.. well music. You listen and enjoy. Is it so hard to do that?

And I too like the fact that I'm able to complete work by myself.

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Processing a highly structured and complex pattern of sensory input as a unified percept of "music" is probably one of the most elaborate features of the human brain.....understanding how music is perceived and how it may elicit intense sensations is far from being understood.

I think you have this attitude on both sides - on the other sides you have people who scoff at anyone who doesn't create each and every one of their own patches from scratch.

Neither attitude is particularly helpful. I've always been of the mind that people who are interested in making music should endeavour to learn everything they can about all aspects of the process, musical and technical, but the number of people who get by fine without it clearly demonstrates that no one skill is a hard requirement.

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cryophonik, I could tell by your posts and your tracks that you could play at least one instrument. Funny that you ran into such snobbery on the Cakewalk forum, of all places. Closed minded people are everywhere. Musicians can be some of the biggest pricks on the planet. The guys an ass to assume that you don't know how to play an instrument, without knowing anything at all about you. Just more of the nameless, faceless internet wasteland.

I don't much care whether people play instruments or not, the end result is all that matters to me. Composers put notes on paper, and have an orchestra play the parts while they conduct, that's old school sequencing IMO.

On a side note, If I may be a bit "snobby" for a moment. I don't understand why people jump right into composing music, without knowing how to play an instrument. Learning an instrument will only make you a better composer. Not to mention how fun and satisfying it is to play a guitar or piano. Notes punched into a sequencer, without being worked out live first, can sound very cold and mechanical. The best producers know how to play an instrument. That's not saying that a few non instrument playing producers can't excel in EDM, because some definitely have. There are exceptions to every rule, some people can have extraordinary innate musical abilities. It's rare though.

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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT Same sorta thing happened to me about a month ago on Youtube. I posted RickyM's mix of Evanstar, and someone decided to call it "one man machine crap".

Youtube is full of retards. 90% of videos have comment sections with full on flame wars. I wonder why he was listening to the track in the first place if he has such a hatred of synthesized music.

There are those that will always care more about the how than the end result. Just try not to let their bitterness consume you like it consumed them. Even if you couldn't play an instrument, I bet he couldn't program a synthesizer. Trance doesn't require one to play an instrument just as the music he no doubt plays doesn't require him to program synths.

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Originally posted by Cryogen Youtube is full of retards. 90% of videos have comment sections with full on flame wars. I wonder why he was listening to the track in the first place if he has such a hatred of synthesized music. There are those that will always care more about the how than the end result. Just try not to let their bitterness consume you like it consumed them. Even if you couldn't play an instrument, I bet he couldn't program a synthesizer. Trance doesn't require one to play an instrument just as the music he no doubt plays doesn't require him to program synths.

heh, I'm not bitter about it, I just think it's stupid, and I don't care that he doesn't like EDM, but not to call it music because it was made by one person and a computer? That's foolishness.

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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT heh, I'm not bitter about it, I just think it's stupid, and I don't care that he doesn't like EDM, but not to call it music because it was made by one person and a computer? That's foolishness.

Yeah sorry, only the first part of that post was aimed at you. The second bit wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

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Whenever talking about traditional music vs. EDM with people who are ignorant of EDM, I always tell them that it's much more difficult to create an EDM song even though it may not sound that way. You have to do everything yourself usually, and you're dealing with many more tracks than your traditional mic, bass, lead guitar, and drums.

More tracks and elements used in EDM.
One person has to do it all.
There's very little money in the music making it harder to commit to versus a band that can do covers at bars and get paid.


Bottom line:

People in this country (America at least) are a bunch of YoYo's who cannot think for themselves. (This is even a bigger problem where I live, Nashville, TN) - Americans want everything spoon fed to them. TV, music, jobs, health care. They want to be lazy and rely on other people to make decisions for them instead of having a mind of their own. If you can't tell, this country reeeaaaalllly bothers me sometimes.

**Off soap box.

one person can do any genre despite increased technological limitations for certain genres. Every Hanz Zimmer soundtrack could be made with just one person if he/she wasn't limited in time and money. Same goes for rock, pop. I would say a large percentage of the music you are hearing on TV is made by 1 person.

As for myself, i suppose I only get critical of EDM producers when they start viewing themselves as more than what they are. What i tend to not respect with most EDM producers and this really has nothing to do with the genre in itself is the lazy approach to music making. I'm pretty sure it is the same everywhere but I don't post everywhere so my bitching if i would even call it that is refined for this and a few other sites only.