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Originally posted by DOOMBOT What does this have to do with what I said, though? I was saying that liberal idealism today is different then it was when our forefathers created The Constitution.

because it doesn't mean anything different today than it did at the time of your constitution, EXCEPT IN AMERICA.

I get a little bit tired of seeing the constant references to “liberalism” that aren’t accurate. Just because your country says liberalism means something else than what it actually does, doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to accept it.

there’s a whole school of “welfare liberalism” out there so if you want to denigrate “liberals” then at least get the label right.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because it doesn't mean anything different today than it did at the time of your constitution, EXCEPT IN AMERICA. I get a little bit tired of seeing the constant references to “liberalism” that aren’t accurate. Just because your country says liberalism means something else than what it actually does, doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to accept it. there’s a whole school of “welfare liberalism” out there so if you want to denigrate “liberals” then at least get the label right.

Ok, but this thread isn't about any other country. The article that was posted by the OP is in regards to what is currently happening in the USA. Maybe this thread isn't for you?

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Liberal ideas back then were different then they are today.

Precedents and examples?
Citing puts large parts of the US constitution being invalid

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Originally posted by Lilith Precedents and examples? Citing puts large parts of the US constitution being invalid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

This is not the source that I used in which I made my comment from though. This is something that I have gathered through much of my own reading but the Wikipedia article I posted pretty much sums up what I am implying.

And this is what PKC is referring too when he talks about Liberalism

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/...1-02/02RN27.htm

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness" was coined from one of the original liberal theorists.

A pursuit that becomes increasingly difficult when big government becomes an obstacle to the ideal.

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just because your stupid country doesn't understand liberalism is no excuse for you, a supposed "alternative" thinker not to know what these words actually mean.

You should stick your xenophobia somewhere dark and cold. "Liberalism" in your "smart" country has been taken to the extreme by Muslim sympathizers in your own govt, even if you are too caught up in rigid definitions to see it.

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i always find it hugely amusing when you try-hard libertarians cry about a "globalist socialism" conspiracy when its the individual rights inherent to capitalism that are bringing about the globalist transformation of our world. absolutely clueless.

Capitalism doesn't work in a moral vacuum and that is becoming increasingly apparent as the years go by. The nanny state beckons.

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Originally posted by Lilith And this is what PKC is referring too when he talks about Liberalism http://www.aph.gov.au/library/Pubs/...1-02/02RN27.htm

Thanks for the read. My only gripe is that this thread is not about Australian Liberalism and doesn't apply to the topic at hand, in my opinion.

Well now you've learned that Liberal Ideology is not a universal thing and you're a bit more worldly for it.

This thread really hurts my head. When did ideological gobbledy-gook replace actual ideas?

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Originally posted by Lilith Well now you've learned that Liberal Ideology is not a universal thing and you're a bit more worldly for it.

I always knew that, which is why I thought it was odd that pkcRAISTLIN came in and said what he did, with his initial response.

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Originally posted by vinnie97 "Liberalism" in your "smart" country has been taken to the extreme by Muslim sympathizers in your own govt, even if you are too caught up in rigid definitions to see it.

whatever you say champ.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov This thread really hurts my head. When did ideological gobbledy-gook replace actual ideas?

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i·de·ol·o·gy (ī'dē-ŏl'ə-jē, ĭd'ē-) n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies 1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture. 2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.