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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Because everyone wants to sound like their favorite producers, who write overcompressed music and use the Vengeance samples?

That too, but the fact that they can be had with ease is a big factor too.

For those out there who do not buy or use sample packs, and rely on traditional VEC packs and Thomas Penton (The Penton is good, but it's really not much better than average) I would strongly advise you to check out some sample packs. There are a low of new packs being put out that have insanely good sound quality. The first that comes to mind is Deadmau5's XFER CD (Although that's only a few mouse clicks away for free too)

I recommend checking out the following:
Electrofied
Electro House Progressions
Swen Weber - Bass Infarct
Deadmau5 - XFER (Please torrent this. This guy is a clown)
Electronic Dance Tools

I am not interested at all in producing electro house. Would you still recommend those "electro" samples?

I think Vengeance is the best collection of samples out there, especially for drums.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I am not interested at all in producing electro house. Would you still recommend those "electro" samples?

yes. i know this sounds dumb, but ignore the names. Go listen to the samples on the websites or send me a PM or AOL AIM and I'll send you some of the trancy and housey stuff in the sample packs.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley That's debatable. I could see a company not caring what torrenters of their product think. Yes, their negative comments will spread to others, but if the samples are degraded just enough to where only professionals can hear it, and they cause problems in mix downs, then they're convincing people their legit, and at the same time likely screwing up their mix downs which would be a great feat for a product like that. It would be hard though to make samples sound "good" and then have them sound bad in a mix. I'm not an engineer so I wouldn't know where to begin or how they could that, but perhaps artifacts?

If a company wanted to make their stuff unusable but still sound good, they could invert the phase of the low end and pan the low end to cancel each other out in mono. It's not fullproof, but not everyone would figure it out.

The standard approach to selling a synth is to make each patch sound absolutely huge by drenching it in effects and in VEC the situation is somewhat similar in that the kicks they sample are usually already processed.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

i own one sample pack witch was free and taken from a roland drum machine.And i make all my own shit with is the best way.

so many people rely on sample packs and often wonder why thier mix down is shit.
by making and rendering all key sounds parts made whilst going along makes for more orignal work and better controll over the tracks made.

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Originally posted by owien so many people rely on sample packs and often wonder why thier mix down is shit.

The reason a mixdown is shit is due to experience.

You could also say, "so many producers use Vengeance sample packs and don't wonder at all why their music sounds absolutely fantastic".

There are heaps of high quality sample packs out there, and the Vengeance stuff isn't terrible, in my experience. I hear the samples in a lot of today's best sounding songs.

No-one's ever going to make a sample pack which every single person is happy with. A lot of top producers use Vengeance and are totally happy with it. Do people really think "well, all these great producers creating all those fantastic sounding songs, they don't know a good sample from a bad sample. They aren't aware they're using utterly crap samples to make that incredible music"?

Everyone's going to have their own preferences. I use a variety of sample packs, including Vengeance. I've come across sample packs which do absolutely nothing for me, but I'm happy that they work brilliantly for other people in their songs. I don't understand why someone would feel the need to say "your samples suck!!! ...oh, your music sounds great, by the way...but your samples suck!!!"

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Deadmau5 - XFER (Please torrent this. This guy is a clown)

That is a pretty ignorant comment.

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Originally posted by derail The reason a mixdown is shit is due to experience. You could also say, "so many producers use Vengeance sample packs and don't wonder at all why their music sounds absolutely fantastic". There are heaps of high quality sample packs out there, and the Vengeance stuff isn't terrible, in my experience. I hear the samples in a lot of today's best sounding songs. No-one's ever going to make a sample pack which every single person is happy with. A lot of top producers use Vengeance and are totally happy with it. Do people really think "well, all these great producers creating all those fantastic sounding songs, they don't know a good sample from a bad sample. They aren't aware they're using utterly crap samples to make that incredible music"? Everyone's going to have their own preferences. I use a variety of sample packs, including Vengeance. I've come across sample packs which do absolutely nothing for me, but I'm happy that they work brilliantly for other people in their songs. I don't understand why someone would feel the need to say "your samples suck!!! ...oh, your music sounds great, by the way...but your samples suck!!!"

true but my point was having all off your own work from scratch in the end will make for a much better track and in most cases the mix down is something much less to worry about.

it's just a case of personal prefrance i guess i have used sample packs in the past and when i do the track then becomes less personal less controllable and more not my own work.

i just think in the end it's much better thing building a track from scratch then diging into sample packs.

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Originally posted by owien true but my point was having all off your own work from scratch in the end will make for a much better track and in most cases the mix down is something much less to worry about. it's just a case of personal prefrance i guess i have used sample packs in the past and when i do the track then becomes less personal less controllable and more not my own work. i just think in the end it's much better thing building a track from scratch then diging into sample packs.

To what degree though - do you record your own drum samples? If you do record your own, do you use equipment that a company built (such as Zildjian, Pearl, Tama etc) or do you make your own drums, to make sure they're your own work? Do you build your own microphone so the sample doesn't take on the characteristics of a given microphone by a given company?

Everyone has their own "line in the sand". It's up to each person to decide where that line is. There is no definitive right and wrong, only opinion based on personal experience.

Some people love sky diving, and rave about it, and tell anyone who cares to listen about how great it is and how other people should totally try it, otherwise they're missing out on this awesome experience. And some people may well take them up on their offer and love it. Some people may decide not to, and that's fine as well.

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Originally posted by derail To what degree though - do you record your own drum samples? If you do record your own, do you use equipment that a company built (such as Zildjian, Pearl, Tama etc) or do you make your own drums, to make sure they're your own work? Do you build your own microphone so the sample doesn't take on the characteristics of a given microphone by a given company? Everyone has their own "line in the sand". It's up to each person to decide where that line is. There is no definitive right and wrong, only opinion based on personal experience. Some people love sky diving, and rave about it, and tell anyone who cares to listen about how great it is and how other people should totally try it, otherwise they're missing out on this awesome experience. And some people may well take them up on their offer and love it. Some people may decide not to, and that's fine as well.

when i say make my own i mean i dont use other peoples ie sample packs.the reason i say my way is best is because the end result is a hole lot better.

if i want to lay down percussion/drums lets say i make them simply because i want to work with untouched samples. i may use the inbuilt stuff and remove any changes untill its restored to a normal state.


this then gives me the choise of what is being made in the track and leads to much more controll and better placements of parts.

i'm not saying the same can be done with samples from sample packs just sitting there and find/slotting something untill it fits or eq and the use of shapes to make it all work.

its a matter of knowing i can make every thing i need and my work is not the same as everybody else.

As further proof for the strength of sampling, there have been quite a few famous songs that were simply sample based and every synth sound was a sample from VEC or what have you. I've noticed a lot of people rant and rave about how much gear they have and how much time they spend programming synths... but after i listen to the final product i am always amazed at how sub-par it truly is. I'm not going to name anyone here but i think the producers know who they are. At the end of the day you can use whatever you want but only the final product counts for anything. No one but the sound design geeks out there honestly care that you've spent x amount of time programming a certain sound. Sampling is an art form in an of itself. Laidback Luke, arguably one of the biggest names and trendsetters in the house scene, said it himself when people ask him how he makes his kicks and other samples; he said he just rips them straight out of a track he likes. Honestly, I'm just tired of this bullshit elitism, i don't care how much experience you have or how "correct" you are in what you do.

sorry /rant_over