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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The more you have the less you have to figure out.

Please elaborate.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The more you have the less you have to figure out. The mind grows by figuring things out.

are u saying u get dumb by getting more stuff? lol

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Originally posted by Eric J I think one benefit you get from this is learning to do more with less, which is a lesson that some of us need to learn all over again. There is "too much of a good thing" and it is all too easily to succumb to GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) and end up with too many options.

Excellent points - I've been mulling this over for a while as I can't for the life of me work out why some producers have more than 1 DAW, unless for a specialist reason such as wanting one to tour with and one in the studio.

I've got creeping GAS right now, thinking for example I must by a dedicated HQ reverb as I run out of them in cubase5, for example I want one just for a clap but I'm already maxed out on verb use, but then I thought this morning, solution is to do offline processing in C5 using a verb 'temporarily' and create my own clap sample with verb - neat easy cost free solution,.

I think I prefer not having too much gear and just really work the sh1t outa what I have.

The world middleweight champion is a bloke from Wales called Joe Kowzagi, and all the pros and commentators used to crit him for training in an old shitty pig sty and running up the local mountains whilst other pro boxers training in state o the art facilities.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler The world middleweight champion is a bloke from Wales called Joe Kowzagi

1. It's 'Calzaghe'.
2. He's retired.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Before I go any further, this discussion is not about how many synths somebody has, free or paid for. The question is simple: Do you think new producers benefit from being forced to use substandard instruments and VSTs? I ask this question because, as a DJ of ten years, I started with a pair of Gemini turntable and a gemini mixer and some computer speakers. I learned and practiced hard on the geminis. They were much harder to mix with than the expensive technics, but by the time I "graduated" to some hifi gear I felt like being forced to use the shitty gear helped me A LOT (and I mean A LOT) - That forms the basis of this question.....And again, this is not about numbers. It's basically a free synth versus paid for synth discussion. Do you think a new producer will benefit from using free vsts (that are most likely to be more difficult to program and less powerful) or do you think diving into FM8 or Absynth is the way to go.

DjStephen you always seem to have constructive posts, well im sort of new to making music and i would have to say from a new persons point of view that, well for me it wouldnt really matter as i think when you approach something you approach it with a certain intent anyways and thats to make music. and like someone mentioned you make use of what you have to a greater or lesser extent like a painter with paints.

Of course you may have to many colors and not know what to do with them due to inexperience etc but your still using it to your fullest potential which is what matters.

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I am with diginut in that if the equipment is crappy and unreliable then it is not learning benefit for beginners, or anyone. I think it depends on what motivates and inspires people - and we are all different in that regard.

I used to muck around with Synth1, Roland GM, etc., but found them not very inspiring to tweak and I did not learn much about synthesis. I have since been playing with Reaktor and Nord G2 - which can be really complicated, but they are highly visual and force you to get the fundamentals right before patching anything complicated. My understanding of synthesis has since shot through the roof. I guess I am an odd example where the expensive, complicated stuff has helped me more as a beginner.

Gear - do we need as much as we think?

Check out the lead sounds used by Jean Michelle Jarre in the 70s, they are fantastic and still sound fresh, yet thousands came after him with 'modern' gear and made worse sounds.
Or David Morroders Moog bass line on the 1977 Donna Summer I Feel Love hit.

Ever since I've been into electronica I've always had this urge to update to the latest and greatest, and you know what, it's never made a difference - in the end it's down to tweaking skills.

People are desperate for a maschine drum but I bet you could make the sounds it produces on tons of different equipment.

I saw this D&B producer using £20 drum machines off ebay and getting immense sounds out of them with hard work and determination.

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I think what really matters are the fundamentals learned when you limit yourself to a few synths.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Gear - do we need as much as we think? Check out the lead sounds used by Jean Michelle Jarre in the 70s, they are fantastic and still sound fresh, yet thousands came after him with 'modern' gear and made worse sounds. Or David Morroders Moog bass line on the 1977 Donna Summer I Feel Love hit. Ever since I've been into electronica I've always had this urge to update to the latest and greatest, and you know what, it's never made a difference - in the end it's down to tweaking skills. People are desperate for a maschine drum but I bet you could make the sounds it produces on tons of different equipment. I saw this D&B producer using £20 drum machines off ebay and getting immense sounds out of them with hard work and determination.

yep +1 i agree with you, though it some cases the hardware/software just doesn't produce the quality of sound. But generally speaking if the know how is there you can still achieve a certain level of quality indeed.

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