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Originally posted by Brahman Have you read the bills? So, you'r telling us, a government which is in a fiscal debt crisis is preparing to spend billions setting up quarantine camps and RFID bracelets for 300 million people? And you have based these assertions on shoddily written articles not worthy of a high school newspaper. Well, you said take it for what it's worth, and I have decided based on some critical analysis that it's worth nothing.

Let's see France, Greece and Canada have already made it publicly known that they will make it practically mandatory to have the vaccine and the US is already trying to pass the bill. The FEMA camps have already been set up over the years so there is no reason to spend more money on them aside from keeping a few guards at the locations until they find a reason (cough) to "up" the work force.

The World Health Organization has made it very clear they want a global mandatory vaccination.

http://shuswapnews.com/news/2009/08...anada-prepares/

And no the government is not in debt, they spend your money (the public) not theirs.

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What is wrong with the government curtailing 100 million more people dying from it?

What exactly makes you so sure that another 100 million will not die from what ever is in the vaccine? I will take my chances and let my immune system fight off germs, virus' and disease. They can stick their needles up their own asses.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Also, what's with conspiracy theorists and the RFID boogeyman? I'm pretty sure that if we really wanted to track all of you we would use something more secure and effective than crappy RFID bracelets...

They have been using them in pets for a long time among other things. The military uses them for the same reason, they are small and now very cheap to make. RFID are very convenient and work very well for tracking anything.

Why have credit cards, health cards, drivers license's and what not when you can broadcast this information at any time without ever having to carry any of the above items with you. RFID is the logical progression for eliminating the need to carry physical documents and other information with you but it all comes down to privacy in the end. They want to turn everything including us into virtual bar-codes.


Who's using RFID?


RFID is already in use all around us. Ever chipped your pet dog or cat with an ID tag? Or used an EZPass through a toll booth? Or paid for gas using ExxonMobils' SpeedPass? Then you've used RFID.

Some uses, especially those related to security, seem like a great idea. For instance, Delta is testing RFID on some flights, tagging 40,000 customer bags in order to reduce baggage loss and make it easier to route bags if customers change their flight plans.

Three seaport operators - who account for 70% of the world's port operations - agreed to deploy RFID tags to track the 17,000 containers that arrive each day at US ports. Currently, less than 2% are inspected. RFID tags will be used to track the containers and the employees handling them.

The United States Department of Defense is moving into RFID in order to trace military supply shipments. During the first Gulf War, the DOD made mistakes in its supply allocation. To streamline operations, the U.S. military has placed RFID tags on 270,000 cargo containers and tracks those shipments throughout 40 countries.

On a smaller level, but one that will instantly resonate with security pros, Star City Casino in Sydney, Australia placed RFID tags in 80,000 employee uniforms in order to put a stop to theft. The same idea would work well in corporate PCs, networking equipment, and handhelds.

In all of these cases, RFID use seems reasonable. It is non-intrusive, and it seems to balance security and privacy. Other uses for RFID, however, may be troublesome.

Visa is combining smart cards and RFID chips so people can conduct transactions without having to use cash or coins. These smart cards can also be incorporated into cell phones and other devices. Thus, you could pay for parking, buy a newspaper, or grab a soda from a vending machine without opening your wallet. This is wonderfully convenient, but the specter of targeted personal ads popping up as I walk through the mall, a la Minority Report, does not thrill me.

Michelin, which manufactures 800,000 tires a day, is going to insert RFID tags into its tires. The tag will store a unique number for each tire, a number that will be associated with the car's VIN (Vehicle Identification Number). Good for Michelin, and car manufacturers, and fighting crime. Potentially bad for you. Who will assure your privacy? Do you really want your car's tires broadcasting your every move?

The European Central Bank may embed RFID chips in the euro note. Ostensibly to combat counterfeiters and money-launderers, it would also enable banks to count large amounts of cash in seconds. Unfortunately, such a move would also makes it possible for governments to track the passage of cash from individual to individual. Cash is the last truly anonymous way to buy and sell. With RFID tags, that anonymity would be gone. In addition, banks would not be the only ones who could in an instant divine how much cash you were carrying; criminals can also obtain power transceivers.

Several major manufacturers and retailers expect RFID tags to aid in managing the supply chain, from manufacturing to shipping to stocking store shelves, including Gillette (which purchased 500 million RFID tags for its razors), Home Depot, The Gap, Proctor & Gamble, Prada, Target, Tesco (a United Kingdom chain), and Wal-Mart. Especially Wal-Mart.

The retail giant, the largest employer in America, is working with Gillette to create "smart shelves" that can alert managers and stockboys to replenish the supply of razors. More significantly, Wal-Mart intends for its top 100 suppliers to fully support RFID for inventory tracking by 2005. Wal-Mart would love to be able to point an RFID reader at any of the 1 billion sealed boxes of widgets it receives every year and instantly know exactly how many widgets it has. No unpacking, no unnecessary handling, no barcode scanners required.

FDA approves implanted RFID chip for humans

In the category of unbelievably bad ideas that we all knew were making their way toward reality whether we like it or not comes the news the FDA has just approved VeriChip's implantable RFID chips for use in humans. These are the same chips that we're currently using to identify our pets. VeriChip is touting the chips' medical applications, as a way of potentially saving lives by storing medical data.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2004/10/4305.ars

RFID Chip to detect swine flu virus?


I have seen swine flu or H1N1 virus snuff life out of a young person known to me and he was just one of the several hundred persons in whose case the virus was detected at a late stage making it nearly impossible for any sort of recovery.

Realizing the seriousness of the situation, VeriChip, the only company in the world which has been federally approved for producing radio microchips for implanting in humans has now started working towards creating an RFID chip which can detect the presence of deadly swine flu and other viruses which are being deemed as bio threat.

VeriChip is working along with Receptors to create an implant which would give a warning if the host is infected with H5N1 bird flu virus, H1N1 swine flu virus or other pandemic agents which are termed as bio threat.

I hope it happens soon as the virus has already spread its fangs worldwide claiming as many lives as it could and still continues to spread terror.

http://www.rfid-weblog.com/50226711...e_flu_virus.php






I cannot wait to place my shotgun right in between their eyes when someone tries to force me or my family to get a RFID implanted.

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Originally posted by culorut Let's see France, Greece and Canada have already made it publicly known that they will make it practically mandatory to have the vaccine and the US is already trying to pass the bill.

What bill, and have you read this bill?

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The FEMA camps have already been set up over the years so there is no reason to spend more money on them aside from keeping a few guards at the locations until they find a reason (cough) to "up" the work force.

How much do 300 million RFID chips and vaccines cost? And FEMA camps? Forgive me for my skepticism but all this sounds dubious at best.

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The World Health Organization has made it very clear they want a global mandatory vaccination. http://shuswapnews.com/news/2009/08...anada-prepares/

I'v tried finding this on any of the major newswires like Reuters and Associated Press, without luck. Can you point me to a more reputable news source? Also, WHO makes recommendations of action, in cases of pandemics. Countries can completely ignore it, but most don't because they aren't stupid enough to allow a raging pandemic ravage their country. How they implement the WHO's recommendations is totally up to them.

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And no the government is not in debt, they spend your money (the public) not theirs.

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 19 Sep 2009 at 07:47:23 PM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 306,950,394
so each citizen's share of this debt is $38,496.98. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.89 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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What exactly makes you so sure that another 100 million will not die from what ever is in the vaccine? I will take my chances and let my immune system fight off germs, virus' and disease. They can stick their needles up their own asses.

You just said, "Might seem a little far fetched right now but influenza pandemics have killed nearly a hundred million people in the last century alone." So I ask, what is wrong with the government preventing this from happening again?

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So culorut tell me whats wrong with getting H1N1 shot? Next year it will be in the yearly flu shot.

I got the h1n1 vaccination when it was first released but my wife was only able to get the normal flu shot and guess what, she caught the h1n1. She spent the better half of oct. sick as a dog was out of work for 21days. She still has a nasty cough today.

I was able to get the shot due having pneumonia a few years ago and thats something nobody wants to experience -> coughing blood and gasping for every breath... yeah thats real fun shit.

So again whats wrong with getting the vaccination? Don't want the shot fine hope you don't get sick.
roll the dice....

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One 6 oz can of white chunk tuna contains about 52 micrograms of mercury (in the form of methyl mercury)

Average for Chunk White Canned Tuna. Yess, Norma J. "US Food and Drug
Administration Survey of Methyl Mercury in Canned Tuna," Journal of AOAC
International, Vol. 76, No. 1, 1993, pp. 36-38.

Flu vaccines contain 25 micrograms of mercury (in the form of ethyl
mercury).
“25 µg/0.5 ml dose”
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccine…

2 doses of flu vaccine would contain about the same amount of mercury as
one 6 oz can of tuna.

The mercury in the vaccine is in the form of ethyl mercury, which
doesn't accumulate in tissues and is much less toxic than the methyl
mercury you would find in fish. Thimerosal, a preservative containing
ethyl mercury that has been in vaccines since the 1930s.
The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)

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Originally posted by Audbrey76 I doubt that Saddam Hussein was any kind of threat to anyone in the region. Wrong idea to move the military that way.

Thanks, that's the confirmation I needed. Where are these bots coming from? And, worse yet, how come they're so poorly designed?

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