like astral projection - dancing galaxy? yeah i love them.

I love the big riffs and get pretty bored with trance tracks that don't have 'em.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley riff is such a poorly defined term. of course there are great sounds out there that somebody might consider a riff and of course people like them. there are (this goes for anything right now) much more bad "riffs" out right now than good ones tho (by a long shot)

yep defo more poor then good i guess it comes down to it being a bit out dated these days lol

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So apparently "big riffs" means "long melodies", particularly longer than 4 bars. Of course, those phrases are not even close to being synonyms, but sure, they're nice to have. I would hardly say that they're rare, though; evidently you're listening to the wrong music. Almost every track I've ever produced and a great many that I listen to have long-ish melodies.

Don't get me wrong, I also hear plenty of boring repetitive tracks with no real hooks, but to me those are mostly filler dancefloor tracks.

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Originally posted by DigiNut So apparently "big riffs" means "long melodies", particularly longer than 4 bars. Of course, those phrases are not even close to being synonyms, but sure, they're nice to have. I would hardly say that they're rare, though; evidently you're listening to the wrong music. Almost every track I've ever produced and a great many that I listen to have long-ish melodies. Don't get me wrong, I also hear plenty of boring repetitive tracks with no real hooks, but to me those are mostly filler dancefloor tracks.

Not sure what you are talking about, but I consider this as a big riff and its like 2 bars long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHR2mcHKA28

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Originally posted by Subtle Not sure what you are talking about, but I consider this as a big riff and its like 2 bars long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHR2mcHKA28

Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it?

I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

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Originally posted by DigiNut Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it? I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

For example if the sound used for the riff is more prominent or important than the notes of the riff itself.

I think Darude - Sandstorm has a big riff (very recognizable), but if you would play back the notes of the melody with a standard sound, its just really dull.

If the melody is more important than the sound used on the riff, it will often just sound as good or recognizable no matter which sound used to produce it.

So id say recognizable lead sound, on a less or more recognizable melody line makes a big riff, having only a recognizable melody does not.

This is how i see it anyways.

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Bassline riffs > melody riffs.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Where is the "riff", and what is "big" about it? I think everybody here seems to be using a completely different definition of the term, and in most cases it's really just being used to mean "stuff I like".

The Marcel Woods example does have a very distinctive lead melody/ sound. Whether it's called a riff, a hook, or just a melody - as you say, everyone has their own definitions.

But that example does capture the spirit of what this thread is talking about, in terms of "big riffs", the way I personally understand it.

I'd go more with "hook" than "big riff" though.

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Originally posted by Subtle So id say recognizable lead sound, on a less or more recognizable melody line makes a big riff, having only a recognizable melody does not. This is how i see it anyways.

How many people do you know, that aren't producers or DJs, know the basic waveforms? People don't care about that kind of stuff. They will remember lyrics, grooves, melodies, and the type of basslines that are meant to be the lead.

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Originally posted by Beatflux How many people do you know, that aren't producers or DJs, know the basic waveforms? People don't care about that kind of stuff. They will remember lyrics, grooves, melodies, and the type of basslines that are meant to be the lead.

I mean recognizable, not as in familiar.

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