Originally posted by Spam
Sorry, I wasn't aware of the fact that Ceasar was a socialist. All those beggars and lepers Jesus was helping must have been from some other country. Even the political right collects taxes from the citizenry, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Caesar was government, was he not?
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Oct-13-2009 22:51
occrider
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quote:
Originally posted by Spam
Um no, Jesus didn't steal his possessions and give them away to the poor. He told him what he should do and allowed him to make a decision for himself. When the man walked away all depressed and shit, Jesus didn't send the IRS after him to force him to give away all his stuff, the man was left free to live his life as he chose. When one CHOOSES to follow the commandments, then they aren't being FORCED to do anything that those commandments demand. Whereas if one CHOOSES not pay their taxes, they are tracked down, and eventually FORCED to pay up anyway. But you're right, the eternal damnation thing is definitely put out there as a warning to those who choose not to follow the command, however, they are STILL left free to live their life the way they want until death, as punishment comes after death.
Edit: That being said, organized religion can be just as bad, or worse, than government, no doubt. But you're confusing the religion with the teachings, and oftentimes, the religion misinterprets those teachings.
You can CHOOSE to live your life whatever way you want to by moving to a country that subcribes to the lifestyle of your choosing and living there the rest of your life. At least the IRS doesn't CONDEMN you to ETERNAL damnation by disagreeing with them.
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Oct-16-2009 06:42
Spam
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Originally posted by Krypton
Caesar was government, was he not?
Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?
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Captain Planet is gey.
Water, Fire, Earth, Wind, Heart???
These forces are supposed to combine to create Captain Planet?
Bullshit.
Those forces combine to create a soaking, boiling mudstorm on Valentine's Day.
Oct-20-2009 07:22
Spam
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Originally posted by occrider
You can CHOOSE to live your life whatever way you want to by moving to a country that subcribes to the lifestyle of your choosing and living there the rest of your life. At least the IRS doesn't CONDEMN you to ETERNAL damnation by disagreeing with them.
I shouldn't have to move to another country to live how I want. I should be able to enjoy my God-given freedom to live how I want (and please don't start the childish "but what if you want to kill people?" arguments, because I'm sure we can all agree that causing any form of direct harm to another person should be penalized in a just manner), without a collection of people (just like you and me, but...) with authority telling me how I should live my life (and unfortunately, the political left AND right are both guilty of this), and knocking on my door to force me to do it if I choose not to.
However, believing that there will be any form of punishment or reward after said life is done, based on how I lived it, takes quite the leap of faith.
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Captain Planet is gey.
Water, Fire, Earth, Wind, Heart???
These forces are supposed to combine to create Captain Planet?
Bullshit.
Those forces combine to create a soaking, boiling mudstorm on Valentine's Day.
Oct-20-2009 07:28
starx
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Location: stockholm
sigh......
*facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* I guess the cult wants to change their rules w/e there a bunch of crazy destroyers of humanity. sigh......
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Nov-01-2009 06:20
Capitalizt
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Location: USA
The scariest story I heard on halloween came from the holy bible..
Nov-02-2009 01:37
Darkarbiter
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Location: Melbourne
quote:
Originally posted by Spam
Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?
Originally posted by Spam
Sure, but I don't remember reading about how he taxed those who had money to help support the poor and needy (I separate the two groups since many 'poor' people are so because of their own decisions in life, and what they 'need' is to start making better decisions). I'm no historian or anything, but I'm pretty sure he used those funds for things like building roads, infrastructure, the coliseum, and whatever else he felt like spending the money on. Again, conservatives tax the citizenry too, so how is something as basic as paying your taxes a "liberal" idea?
Well, this thread is about about some wing nut conservatives editing the bible to fit into their warped political views. I have simply been pointing out that Jesus was a flower in your hair socialist hippie. He told the rich to give everything away to the poor. Not some, EVERYTHING. That's communism ain't it? Jesus the commie! He said pay taxes! Oh noez! He went to the temple, and went ballistic at the merchants (capitalists) for defiling 'his father's temple'. Commie Jesus pwns.
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Nov-06-2009 17:48
Spam
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Originally posted by Krypton
Well, this thread is about about some wing nut conservatives editing the bible to fit into their warped political views. I have simply been pointing out that Jesus was a flower in your hair socialist hippie. He told the rich to give everything away to the poor. Not some, EVERYTHING. That's communism ain't it?
No, because the rich man was never forced to do it. He was able to make the choice to live his life how he wanted until death. Something that communist states would never allow. In fact, I think you'd find the communists would confiscate that "everything" and then ensure that death quickly followed.
Very different scenarios.
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Captain Planet is gey.
Water, Fire, Earth, Wind, Heart???
These forces are supposed to combine to create Captain Planet?
Bullshit.
Those forces combine to create a soaking, boiling mudstorm on Valentine's Day.
Nov-17-2009 03:38
Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas
quote:
Originally posted by Spam
No, because the rich man was never forced to do it. He was able to make the choice to live his life how he wanted until death. Something that communist states would never allow. In fact, I think you'd find the communists would confiscate that "everything" and then ensure that death quickly followed.
Very different scenarios.
He said, "Give to Caesar's what is Caesar's." Whatever you give to the government might as well be used to raise the standard of living for the tax payers.
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Nov-17-2009 05:21
Capitalizt
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Location: USA
Nothing is Caesar's. He deserved to get shanked for that presumption.
Nov-17-2009 05:40
Krypton
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Location: Texas
Nothing is Caesars? Your anarcho-capitalist colors shine brightly.