Become a part of the TranceAddict community!Frequently Asked Questions - Please read this if you haven'tSearch the forums
TranceAddict Forums > DJing / Production / Promotion > Production Studio > Trying to understand compression
Pages (2): « 1 [2]   Last Thread   Next Thread
Share
Author
Thread    Post A Reply
derail
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia

As DigiNut said - compression isn't about maths. For music, it should be used musically, and the way you use it will vary, depending on the sound that is running through it and what you want to do to the sound. Sometimes extreme pumpy settings sound great. Other times, a really light touch with a ratio of 1.10:1 will be exactly what is needed. Same goes for different attack and release settings.

Beatflux suggested s(m)exoscope, it will show you exactly what the compressor is doing, if you want to see the visual representation of the waveform over time. Turn the compressor on and off and see what difference it makes.

Old Post Oct-10-2009 21:06  Australia
Click Here to See the Profile for derail Click here to Send derail a Private Message Add derail to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Jimb0b
Senior tranceaddict



Registered: Jul 2007
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
No, no, no, NO. Jesus, compressing a vocal with a 10:1 ratio? This is exactly why I said that throwing around some trivial math isn't going to help you apply it.

You shouldn't even be considering trying to squash a dynamic range of 20 dB down to 2 dB. You might use a ratio that high with a very low threshold as a kind of leveler, to eliminate sudden and unintended peaks in the source. If it's really truly necessary to increase the gain by 18 dB then you might use multiple stages of compression. But much more likely you should be adjusting your actual levels, EQ, and other parts of the mix if it has those kinds of problems.

My advice is to stop worrying about the nitty gritty of how compression works and start learning about how it's actually used, in practice, otherwise you're going to end up with some awful mixes.


Well it was just an example, an extreme and maybe not well chosen one I grant you. haha

Maybe a more realistic case would be -3db to -6db threshold with a 1.5:1 - 2:1 ratio (depending on the source material of course)

Of course it's best to try it in practice in real world scenario's, but dont shoot me down for just trying to get a better understanding of how a compressor works.


___________________

Old Post Oct-11-2009 01:49  United Kingdom
Click Here to See the Profile for Jimb0b Click here to Send Jimb0b a Private Message Add Jimb0b to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
LoveHate
...........



Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver

i always used the compressor to make the kick..and the bass more pumping ..i dont really understand it i just know it makes everything louder.

Old Post Oct-11-2009 03:16  Canada
Click Here to See the Profile for LoveHate Click here to Send LoveHate a Private Message Add LoveHate to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
djlogik
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Rochester, NY

Try adjusting each parameter and listening to what it does to the sound, reading what it does to the dB output and seeing for yourself.

I feel you learn more by doing and experimenting than by reading and reading and "understanding" what everything is.

When you apply high ratios like 10:1 you're really limiting the signal and removing a lot of transient peaks and the whole sound becomes squashed with no dynamics. Sometimes you want it (not to always to that extent) and a lot of the time you don't.

Mess around and see what you learn in that time frame. Good Luck


___________________
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

Old Post Oct-12-2009 14:36  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for djlogik Click here to Send djlogik a Private Message Add djlogik to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
kitphillips
is actually a guy.



Registered: May 2006
Location: Sydney, Australia

You'd be better off learning the standard settings for different applications and why they're used, and then learning to tweak these to suit. Thats how I learnt.

PS download the sonalksis demo and look at the meters, they'll tell you what you need to know about how compression works in a visual way.


___________________
New Mix: March 2010 Promo
Soundcloud|Facebook

Old Post Oct-12-2009 14:48  Australia
Click Here to See the Profile for kitphillips Click here to Send kitphillips a Private Message Add kitphillips to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
coroknight
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2008
Location: Deeper

if(Signal.Level > Threshold)
{
Signal.Level = Threshold + ( (Signal.Level - Threshold) / Ratio );
}

Attack = How fast the above is applied to the signal.
Release = Once the above is applied, this is how fast the compression is reduced.


___________________

ಠ_ಠ
<|>
/ω\

Old Post Oct-12-2009 15:37  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for coroknight Click here to Send coroknight a Private Message Add coroknight to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Zak McKracken
Trance



Registered: Jun 2003
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by coroknight
if(Signal.Level > Threshold)
{
Signal.Level = Threshold + ( (Signal.Level - Threshold) / Ratio );
}

i spot a loop here! u need to separate it input to output.

Old Post Oct-12-2009 17:02 
Click Here to See the Profile for Zak McKracken Click here to Send Zak McKracken a Private Message Add Zak McKracken to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message

TranceAddict Forums > DJing / Production / Promotion > Production Studio > Trying to understand compression
Post New Thread    Post A Reply

Pages (2): « 1 [2]  
Last Thread   Next Thread
Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackDJ Precision @ Global DJ Broadcast on Party 931(09-29-2003) track #2 please help!!!!! [2003] [0]

Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackMoby - "Go" (Jam & Spoon Dub) [2003]

Show Printable Version | Subscribe to this Thread
Forum Jump:

All times are GMT. The time now is 16:18.

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
Search this Thread:

 
Contact Us - return to tranceaddict

Powered by: Trance Music & vBulletin Forums
Copyright ©2000-2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Privacy Statement / DMCA
Support TA!