Don't forget that mixes are compressed to shit. I only listen to radio shows, TATW, ASOT, Corsten's Coundown, and they're all ran through a "radio compressor" whatever that means.
Originally posted by alanzo
Don't forget that mixes are compressed to shit. I only listen to radio shows, TATW, ASOT, Corsten's Coundown, and they're all ran through a "radio compressor" whatever that means.
It's common place in all of the big radio shows to use the C4 multi band compressor and L3 multimaximizer from waves. Unfortunately some :: cough GDJB :: decide to leave zero dynamics left in the mix
Anything to make stuff louder I guess
Oct-23-2009 03:12
Beatflux
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quote:
Originally posted by alanzo
Don't forget that mixes are compressed to shit. I only listen to radio shows, TATW, ASOT, Corsten's Coundown, and they're all ran through a "radio compressor" whatever that means.
How many of those shows are received on the old fashion radio?
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change your avatar for fucks sake.
Oct-23-2009 03:44
Fledz
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Location: London UK
ASOT definitely is and I think TATW is in the UK too. Not sure about the others.
a lot of the labels today have this idea that 'louder is better' when in actuality a lot of today's trance sounds bad. Yes the idea is there within the music for sure but when you throw these tracks in an audio editor, all the peaks are clipped. When you zoom out you can see that the waveform is one size, and zoom in to actually see the peaks clipped and are squared off.
Its actually a little discouraging because you have all these veterans who have been in the game since day 1 or 2 that certainly know better about engineering and dynamics and all that stuff, and support this crushed loud sound.
I don't know wtf people are still going crazy for about this. I used to think this was the way it was but maybe 1 in 50 songs I buy are fucked. The rest are not necessarily optimal but this squashed bullshit everyone complains about I don't see. You have to realize a lot of the tracks that are squashed don't have a lot of dynamics because of the style of track they made. Look at Cosmic Gate. They have squashed waveforms on a ton of their tracks but they still sound good. Why? Because their kicks and basslines take up 90% of the headroom.
I guess it must be the epic trance spectrum that gets people all riled up because that's the only area that I don't buy many tracks in. Tracks that have a lot of high frequencies are the ones that get fucked most easily so I can see how epic shit makes people think everything is overcompressed.
Oct-25-2009 09:44
Storyteller
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally posted by Beatflux
How many of those shows are received on the old fashion radio?
All of them .
TATW and GDJB are the only shows amongst those that can't be heard on Dutch FM radio I think.
Considering most shows are radio rips (either fm or cable) they still apply the compression so it only makes sense they have radio compression .
If less is more think about how much more more would be.
-Frasier
Oct-25-2009 10:10
Stef
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Registered: Aug 2007
Location: NYC
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Originally posted by RoryJames
when in actuality a lot of today's trance sounds bad.
Not this again.
Oct-25-2009 17:27
Beatflux
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Planet Alf
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Originally posted by mfitterer1
.You have to realize a lot of the tracks that are squashed don't have a lot of dynamics because of the style of track they made. Look at Cosmic Gate. They have squashed waveforms on a ton of their tracks but they still sound good. Why? Because their kicks and basslines take up 90% of the headroom.
I guess it must be the epic trance spectrum that gets people all riled up because that's the only area that I don't buy many tracks in. Tracks that have a lot of high frequencies are the ones that get fucked most easily so I can see how epic shit makes people think everything is overcompressed.
You can't really tell much by just looking at the waveform.
The TT-DR meter measures the top 20 percent of the rms value against the peaks to give you a dynamic range rating.
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
change your avatar for fucks sake.
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